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Old 01-04-2008, 09:53 PM
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Then there's this F-16 downed from a single bird strike. Click on "This video"

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006426.html
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:20 PM
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I've seen a egret go completely through (chordwise) the LE and all the back to the TE spar web before it stopped on an A-10. How much can an egret weigh? 6 pounds maybe?

That's just one example.

BTW, how did we get on this subject? Weren't we talking about the AMA and the new Park Pilot Program?

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Old 01-04-2008, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Murocflyer View Post
I've seen a egret go completely through (chordwise) the LE and all the back to the TE spar web before it stopped on an A-10. How much can an egret weigh? 6 pounds maybe?

That's just one example.

BTW, how did we get on this subject? Weren't we talking about the AMA and the new Park Pilot Program?
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I think it's safer to talk about bird watching.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:35 PM
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Anyhow, Slinky Dinks and Bird Strikes aside, has it been brought up that maybe with the new PF program the AMA has now opened itself up to other groups demanding a similar, lower cost membership?

I mean if I only fly on weekends, why do I have to pay for a full time membership? or I only fly in rural areas so shouldn't my membership be less ?

I know, I know, but just the type of thing some low life, miserable, scum, ooooops, excuse me, lawyer would run with.

I can see it now, lawsuits filed for discrimination of weekend fliers, left handed fliers, Spektrum fliers, etc.

Sorry just playing Devil's advocate, but I really don't see the point of the PF ticket, it's just telling regular AMA members you are a lower class flier.

A come give us your money, but you can't play with us scenerio.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
Then there's this F-16 downed from a single bird strike. Click on "This video"

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006426.html
That video is not of an F-16. It is a Canadian BAE Systems/British Aerospace CT-155 Hawk

Here is the crash report.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:50 PM
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Oops. Still took the plane down though.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:52 PM
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yes indeed. A flock of Geese took an AWACS down in Alaska a few years back too... And it has 4 engines!

Those birds play heck with planes.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by firemanbill View Post
That video is not of an F-16. It is a Canadian BAE Systems/British Aerospace CT-155 Hawk

Here is the crash report.
Can't put anything past those retired AF guys.

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Old 01-04-2008, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Murocflyer View Post
Can't put anything past those retired AF guys.

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Nope! What gives it away is the fact that the bird goes off to the left of the fuse. The F-16 intake is directly underneath the cockpit. It would have been a close call, but a non event for a 16.

Plus the british accent on the computer warning is interesting!:p
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Glacier Girl View Post
Anyhow, Slinky Dinks and Bird Strikes aside, has it been brought up that maybe with the new PF program the AMA has now opened itself up to other groups demanding a similar, lower cost membership?

I mean if I only fly on weekends, why do I have to pay for a full time membership? or I only fly in rural areas so shouldn't my membership be less ?

I know, I know, but just the type of thing some low life, miserable, scum, ooooops, excuse me, lawyer would run with.

I can see it now, lawsuits filed for discrimination of weekend fliers, left handed fliers, Spektrum fliers, etc.

Sorry just playing Devil's advocate, but I really don't see the point of the PF ticket, it's just telling regular AMA members you are a lower class flier.

A come give us your money, but you can't play with us scenerio.

GG,

On the contrary, it is allowing folks who would like to be AMA members that fly <2lb, 60 MPH models the ability to be members at half the cost. So many new fliers only fly those types of models and felt like the AMA was ignoring their wants and/or needs. Now they have developed the PPP for those folks and, this is the biggie, help them create PPP fields only for electric parkflyers in this class.

I look forward to the first post by someone that states they have started their own AMA chartered field that flies only PF airplanes.

Like I have mentioned before, it would be great to have 3 or 4 AMA chartered fields, indoor and/or out, in a 25 mile radius. That should certainly promote the hobby.

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Old 01-04-2008, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by firemanbill View Post
Nope! What gives it away is the fact that the bird goes off to the left of the fuse. The F-16 intake is directly underneath the cockpit. It would have been a close call, but a non event for a 16.

Plus the british accent on the computer warning is interesting!:p
And the warning voice for USAF-F16's is a female.
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Yup... "B#%^ing Betty!"
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:45 PM
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Bill,

Is that any way for a newly crowned Moderator to talk? tsk tsk

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Old 01-04-2008, 11:48 PM
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Just merely repeating what I have heard for years!:p
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lieutenant Loughead View Post
Please -- this is a "doomsday" scenario that AMA members like to throw out there to scare people into joining. Interestingly enough, scare tactics tend to keep people OUT of organizations.

Let's focus on FACTS, not "what if" scenarios...
They didn't ban commercial flying after 9-11, did they? And we're still allowed to buy and drive vans despite Oklahoma City. Besides, how many explosives could possibly be stuffed into a model aircraft and still leave it able to take flight? Guns, cars, heck, even some toys cause more deaths every year in this country than all the terrorist attacks that have occured here combined!
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by firemanbill View Post
That video is not of an F-16. It is a Canadian BAE Systems/British Aerospace CT-155 Hawk

Here is the crash report.
Exactly -- this was one of the many single bird strikes I researched. It's a Canadian aircraft, and crashed in Canada -- NOT the conentential United States (as I said previously). This air crash was counted as ONE of the SEVEN single bird strikes which has actually brought down an airplane IN THE HISTORY OF FLIGHT.

(Again, take a look at the AMA thread on RCG for all the details of my research -- it's there!)

Originally Posted by firemanbill View Post
yes indeed. A flock of Geese took an AWACS down in Alaska a few years back too... And it has 4 engines!

Those birds play heck with planes.
Yes -- the AWACS was US Air Force. However, it was not a SINGLE bird strike (it was a flock), and it happened outside the Contential United States.

Again -- there IS a chance that an RC airplane could collide with a full size airplane, but that would be equivalent to a SINGLE bird strike, NOT a FLOCK of birds, taking out all four engines of an AWACS!!!

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They didn't ban commercial flying after 9-11, did they? And we're still allowed to buy and drive vans despite Oklahoma City. Besides, how many explosives could possibly be stuffed into a model aircraft and still leave it able to take flight? Guns, cars, heck, even some toys cause more deaths every year in this country than all the terrorist attacks that have occured here combined!
Yes! Exactly! Thank you for your help in making my point! So, you're saying, based on recent history, someone COULD use an RC airplane for terrorist activity, and congress STILL wouldn't ban RC flying.
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:39 AM
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Hey -- I AM interested in the PPP... When will we hear more information on the PPP? Isn't it supposed to launch in January?
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:46 AM
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LL, I was not replying to anything you said... no need to quote me and your research, I really do not care.... I was just pointing out for Tom and everyone else the link he provided had an error in it.

And I never said the AWACS was brought down by a single bird... and there was no reference to an RC plane at all...

How do you link what I said to all the things your quoting and rebutting???
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Lieutenant Loughead View Post
Hey -- I AM interested in the PPP... When will we hear more information on the PPP? Isn't it supposed to launch in January?
Guy,

Based on the planes you have, they do not fit the category of the PPP. You will have to join the Open membership.

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Old 01-05-2008, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gfdengine204 View Post
Bill,

Is that any way for a newly crowned Moderator to talk? tsk tsk

Kevin,
Did you call Bill a Matador..? Now thats a load of Bull....oops.
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:57 AM
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well my bday is in May... Makes me a Taurus!
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Old 01-05-2008, 01:01 AM
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well my bday is in May... Makes me a Taurus!
That makes it even better..... Do you think that SEFF will be giving you a whole pile of presents.... Maybe...
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Old 01-05-2008, 01:04 AM
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I hope so! May 4 is my bday. last day of SEFF
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Old 01-05-2008, 03:05 AM
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I wonder how SEFF is going to handle folks with PPP memberships?

This might just be the litmus test on how successful the program will be.

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Old 01-05-2008, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Murocflyer View Post
Guy,

Based on the planes you have, they do not fit the category of the PPP. You will have to join the Open membership.

Frank
Frank -- please see my list of questions, on page one of this thread.

One of my questions is, "I have seven (7) airplanes which meet the requirements (fly at less than 60 mph, and weigh less than 2 pounds) -- but I have three (3) airplanes which do not (one is too fast [RTF Parkzone Stryker], and two are too heavy [Sureflite P-51, and GWS P-38]). Does that exclude me from the Park Pilot Program, or am I just not covered when I fly those three models?"

I would THINK that I'm just not covered when I fly those models (which is okay with me, because I'm not covered now anyway) -- but I don't really know. I look forward to a LOT more information from the AMA, about the PPP.
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