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Old 11-14-2008, 05:39 AM
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There is a download of the planes manual online at the A3 users group if you want to take the time. Can't remember the link now but they went to a pay site, and I left it then. But you can still visit it and download pix and stuff.

http://www.a3skywarrior.com/
Phillipe History and many photos of the plane are on this page.

HEAVY ATTACK SQUADRON FOUR
VAH-4 " FOURRUNNERS"
aka "HOLLYGREEN"



HATRON Four, formerly VP-57, came into being on July 1, 1956 as the second Skywarrior squadron in PacFlt. Following a 14-month training program (during which one of its aircraft set a record of 4 hr. 29 min. 50 sec. between the West Coast and Hawaii), VAH-4 first deployed to WestPac in February, 1958, when Detachment Delta went aboard the USS Hancock (CVA-19). VAH-4's peacetime activities were also marked by its contribution of A3D-2 tankers to Project LANA in May, 1961.

Remaining homeported at NAS Whidbey Island, Washington, throughout its 12-year existence, HATRON Four never deployed as a full squadron aboard a single carrier. During the early years, the squadron's deployment history was unique as its A-3B detachments only went aboard the smaller attack carriers. During the Southeast Asia War, however, VAH-4 detachments also embarked aboard larger carriers (initially aboard the USS Independence (CVA-62) in 1965) and, as there was a shortage of tanker-configured A-3Bs to support Task Force 77 operations, in 1966 the squadron also sent a detachment to operate from NAS Cubi Point in the Philippines and Da Nang AB in South Vietnam. Altogether, VAH-4 made 16 war deployments aboard carriers, more than any other Skywarrior squadron.

VAH-4 last deployed KA-3Bs aboard the USS Ticonderoga (CVA-14) in December, 1967. It returned to Whidbey Island eight months later. By then it had been decided that on November 1, 1968, VAH-4 would be reorganized as VAQ-131 to provide tanking and electronic support.



VAH-6 USS Forrestal detachment's KA-3B (BuNo 142653) circles above the carrier (upper right corner) This aircraft was later shot down by a MiG over China Sea on Apr. 12, '66 while ferried from Cubi Point to USS Kitty Hawk by VAH-4 crew.
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Here is also the Sqadron patch for VAH 4 and the Color scheme for th Plane It was shot down from the Kitty Hawk though.

I will try to scan more pix soon.
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Old 11-14-2008, 11:31 PM
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Hello John ! Here's the plane i talked you about in my PM's... I had always dreamt to build this model as a tribute.
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Old 11-15-2008, 07:46 AM
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That turned out really nice You do exceptional work.

This was the plane and the original crew.
Left to right
Top Row standing second from left Larry Jordan Navigator Next to last Wm Glasson
Bottom Row third in from left Ken Pugh enlisted ECM Gear Oper.

The Single Photo is the 4th that was on the plane who had been with to do repairs
in Subic Bay.

I also did download the aircraft pdf. file which covers lots of stuff that isn't really that important, but if you want I could email it, or send you the web link so you could down load it for your self. It is over 8 megs in size.
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Old 11-17-2008, 05:40 AM
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I had another friend that was on board the Hawk until a month or so ago when the NAVY Sent her back to the States to Decommission her. There is still no word as to if she will be used for scrap or made into a memorial.
They made the transfer over to the USS G. Washington in Pearl.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:58 PM
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Steel is expensive now, John... Some news : I got some good documents with nice scale-looking cross sections, so i re-designed my plans ( i was not satisfied with them) . I just have to design the main gear bay before to start on the construction. Hope it'll be possible next week !

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Old 11-18-2008, 05:41 AM
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Just sitting here waiting and salivating. I might have a close up view of the landing gear shot in my cruise book, I have to look. Looked in my book and the one I thought didn't show nothing Just the wheel and a hand hooking it up for launch.

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Old 11-18-2008, 06:35 AM
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I also checked the NAPVERS document I have and they only have a poor drawing of the gear. I don.t know how to get it here as it is saved in pdf and won't upload to the thread.
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Old 11-18-2008, 06:40 AM
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Thanks for the search, John ! But the retracting sequence of the main gear seems to be a bit complex on the real one... I plan to use Robart retracts to get something simple, reliable and easy to build.
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Old 11-18-2008, 06:43 AM
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Solved the problem and took a photo of it. As you can see it isn't much. We do have a guy here that has gone up to a museum in Florida and they have an A3 on display. I will try and see if he could have a lucky photo.
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:41 AM
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Kinda figured that. But you never know..........
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:44 PM
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Default Scratchbuilt Whale.

Hi ! I know i'm a bit late... :o But there's some work in the French Parliament in the end of each year ! Here are some news : Drawn the sketches for the build and will start during the next days... She'll be 1300 mm L, 1300 mm WS (about 51") and will use a pair of Wemotech Microfans with Razor Motors. As usual, all the airframe will be from 3 and 6 mm Depron, with some balsa and plywood reinforcements where needed ; but i'll try to build her as light as possible to get cool and easy flight (the goal is not to build a rocket). Controls : Ailerons, elev. , rudder, throttle, retracts, flaps. Perhaps arresting hook to play with cables during landings, like i do with my Bréguet Alizé. Hope i'll get a nice scale-looking Whale and John Seidelman will be satisfied with my work !
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Here are some pics of the plans :
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Old 12-01-2008, 03:10 AM
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Well Phillipe I know that your plans show more detail than I can follow, but really looking forward to this build. The A-3 was no screamer even in a dive. So She should fly more scale like.

When we flew in a loft bombing run it was fun. You would come in at 150 agl and at the computer tone the pilot would bring the yoke back to his chest, and then at the peak of the climb the computer would release the bomb. Then the pilot would hard turn and dive to gain speed back. Speed was 500knts. then at the top of the climb around 160knts. then the dive back and the run out to evade the blast .
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Old 12-01-2008, 06:23 AM
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What a great project! I saw an A-3 at an airshow maybe 6 or 7 years ago. It was at NAS Whidbey Island, WA. I couldn't believe there were still any in the Navy inventory, but then I talked to the pilot who explained that the plane actually belonged to Raytheon (if I recall correctly). Sure enough, even though it was in Navy gray, it had an N number on the fuselage. They used it for electronics or radar testing. He let me climb up in the cockpit to have a look around. It was definately well worn! Cool old plane though.

Good luck with your build!
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:57 PM
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Phillipe, about darn time! Subscribed! I'll see if I can scrounge some pics of a few of my old birds for you.

Twiz, the Last Whaler......
VAQ-33, 1991-1994
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:02 PM
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Here you go...plus an EA-6A, just because.......
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:39 PM
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Default A3 Landing Sequence Slides

Taken by the BN from a VAH 4 A3 while landing on the Bonhome Richard.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:32 AM
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Default Building the Whale...

Happy new year to all the Whale addicts ! Farewell 2008 ! Just hope 2009 will better !
OK guys ! Enough Champagne, foie gras and Chrismas turkey... Let's be back to the bench now ! Here are the first pics of the work on nose cone... As usual, formers are glued on a 3mm Depron base before skinning. Nothing difficult ! Just built the upper part... I need the nose retract plywood frame to be completed before i can build the lower part.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:02 PM
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Default Skywarrior : The build.

Ended the nose cone yesterday. Nose gear frame is from 0,8mm plywood. When it's ready, 3mm Depron sidewalls for the gear bay and formers are glued before skinning the lower part of the nose cone. When it's done, the big work on the nose cone is ended.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GGRN View Post
Ended the nose cone yesterday. Nose gear frame is from 0,8mm plywood. When it's ready, 3mm Depron sidewalls for the gear bay and formers are glued before skinning the lower part of the nose cone. When it's done, the big work on the nose cone is ended.
That's looking great so far! Doesn't look like this thread has many followers, but I hope that doesn't discourage you from posting more progress reports.
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Originally Posted by Fly Time View Post
That's looking great so far! Doesn't look like this thread has many followers, but I hope that doesn't discourage you from posting more progress reports.
Thanks Fly Time ! It's not important if this thread doesn't have many followers... If the build makes John Seidelman happy, it's the only thing that counts for me...

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Old 01-12-2009, 02:47 AM
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Default Skywarrior : The build.

Now it's time to build the central part of the fuselage... I started with the upper part. As usual, formers are glued on the base before skinning... All the pieces are from 3mm Depron...
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:52 AM
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Default Skywarrior : The build.

... The lower part of the fuselage is built on the other side of the 3mm Depron base. The main difference is the bomb bay : This part of the real airplane will be very usefull on the model. It'll be used later for radio and battery housing. It's just a 3mm Depron box, formers are glued on each side before skinning. The two 4mm diam. carbon tubes you can see on the pics are used to give some rigidity... Later, they'll also support the main gear frame.
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Default Skywarrior : The build.

The tail cone is divided in 2 vertical halves. The formers are glued on a base before skinning. All pieces are from 3mm Depron.
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Default Skywarrior : The build.

Worked a bit on the fin yesterday... It's out of 3mm depron with a 3mm hard balsa spar and 1mm ply key to mout it on the fuselage.
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Default Skywarrior : The build.

But the work on fin was just the warm-up... I started the work on the main gear bay. The gear frame is a sort of box made of 1 mm Plywood. The GWS retracts are screwed on and pushrods are glued on it before it's glued on the 2 4mm diam. carbon tubes. Of course, the retracting sequence is not scaled : I needed something simple, reliable... And as light as possible.
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