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Old 03-24-2008, 01:47 AM
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http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...D=EFL6025COMBO
Park 450 BL 890Kv (EFLM1400, 2 included).


I am thinking I need to buy this thing. I'd use 1 3S 2100mAh battery like they suggest. But I wonder if it would have plenty of vertical power. What do you think?
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Old 03-24-2008, 02:05 AM
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Default puff the magic lipo!

mike::great deal! though not a 38 she's slightly Lighter but mines runs near the same set-up and she'll go vertical but count the sec's (5sec's for me) so you don't over-tax the ESC's, or puff the magic lipo! your bub, steve PS heres my new twin I'm use'in about the same flite-packs on
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:38 PM
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Default That's a really good deal!

Oh man, why did you go and post something like that? Don't you know we have children to feed and wives to answer to??? You are a bad man Mike Early!

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Old 03-24-2008, 09:51 PM
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Oh man, You are a bad man Mike Early!

The wife agrees!
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:34 PM
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It has stunning power with a capable 3s 2200 pack - here you can see my review with video!

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731697

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If you want E-Flite branded products, that sure seems like one heck of a deal .... $70 more for two Park 450's and two 25A Pro ESC's? If I didn't already have the motors we're planning to use in Dad's, I'd have definitely gone for that deal. That's pretty nuts considering one Park 450 by itself retails for $65, and one ESC retails for $45. We're going to use TowerPro motors and Suppo ESC's, and it only saves $10 vs. that setup (less once shipping is factored in!) and probably doesn't have quite the power, either.

Wish they'd had this available back at Christmas!
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:07 AM
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Ugh, why oh why do they do that. It's basicly buy 2 motors + speed controllers and get the plane free. It's Evil i tell you. The G/F is yelling at me telling me NO i can't have it.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by constantCrash View Post
Ugh, why oh why do they do that. It's basicly buy 2 motors + speed controllers and get the plane free. It's Evil i tell you. The G/F is yelling at me telling me NO i can't have it.
For them to give such a deep discount makes me think that the P-38 must be selling slowly. There are a lot of other nice P-38's out there from other companies, but mostly its because it's expensive to put a plane in the air that requires two of everything. That's why I haven't bought one yet. Now I have no excuse!
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:41 PM
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Yea, ditto on the two of everything!!! My GWS 38 is finally progressing due to the first esc's being different from what I thought I was getting (revised by manufacturer) and too big. I got a couple of Thunderbird 18's to hook up to two Tower Pro 2409-12's and a 2200 mah pack. Hope to complete this build by the time the weather gets warm. Steve, looks like you built yourself another toy. Kinda nice - hope you don't need the wheelbarrow & shovel.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:03 AM
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Default I'm SICK I tell ya!

Well, guys, I bought one. I really, really need to quit buying airplanes!
But I have had great luck with E-Flite so far.

I bought the Ultimate 3D-FX ($65) with a free Park 400 motor and love it.
I bought the Brio10 later on when they had it for $99 with a free Park 480 and REALLY love it!
I couldn't pass up this deal.

So here it is in March and I'm saying: Merry Christmas to me!
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:52 PM
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Brio10 for $99 with a free Park 480
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Golly, that's a killer deal too. How long did that sale last?
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:13 PM
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Golly, that's a killer deal too. How long did that sale last?
Mike,
I just meant to find the old thread here but with a little google-ing I found....

this LINK . Do you see what I see?

That is the same E-flite part # that was on my invoice last October.
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:31 PM
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Well, I think i'm going to pull the trigger on this one. $150 savings is a lot and I can use the motors in my Lanier WWI birds for now until i'm ready to put the 38 together.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:06 PM
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I couldn't resist either. I can use the two motors and controllers in other projects after the P-38 spins in on maiden.

So this will join a few other unbuilt projects waiting in the wings...

1. Zero Gravity Pitts Python
2. E-flite Taylorcraft
3. E-flite Sea Fury (on order)
4. 6mmRC F4 Phantom
5. E-flite Mini FuntanaX
6. Alfa A4 Skyhawk
7. Phase3 F16
8. Multiplex Cularis
9. Hyperion Cap 232 25E
10 E-Flite 260 3D 480

If my wife ever finds where all those boxes are hidden- I'm dead!

But as we've all said- WHO can pass up SUCH A DEAL!?!?!

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Old 03-28-2008, 10:49 PM
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Hey look at this. P-38 combos are cheap!

Decisions, decisions...
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Time View Post
Hey look at this. P-38 combos are cheap!

Decisions, decisions...
I don't know anything about the Phase 3 but it sure is a lot nicer looking than the E-Flite. Much better colors.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
I don't know anything about the Phase 3 but it sure is a lot nicer looking than the E-Flite. Much better colors.
I read somewhere that it looks to be the same as the EMI P-38. Same design, different color.
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Old 03-28-2008, 11:12 PM
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That Phase3 P-38 is one awesome little plane. Especially for the price. If the E-Flite is a Honda and the Flying Styro is a Ferrari, then the Phase3 is a Mercedes. Lots of great scale features for less than half the price of the Flying Styro kit.

However, the E-Flite P-38 is decently bigger than the Phase3, so that's a selling point for some folks (especially those wanting to shove retracts in it).

I couldn't decide on one, so we have all three. Though the E-Flite and Flying Styro are still in their boxes. Phase3 was my first ARF after the E-Flite P-47, and it was an easy build. No glue required, actually. Can't beat it for $140.
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Old 03-28-2008, 11:18 PM
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That Phase3 P-38 is one awesome little plane. Especially for the price. If the E-Flite is a Honda and the Flying Styro is a Ferrari, then the Phase3 is a Mercedes. Lots of great scale features for less than half the price of the Flying Styro kit.

However, the E-Flite P-38 is decently bigger than the Phase3, so that's a selling point for some folks (especially those wanting to shove retracts in it).

I couldn't decide on one, so we have all three. Though the E-Flite and Flying Styro are still in their boxes. Phase3 was my first ARF after the E-Flite P-47, and it was an easy build. No glue required, actually. Can't beat it for $140.
Dave, can the wheels be removed and replaced easily on the Phase3? How about the E-Flite? Does anyone know?
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Old 03-29-2008, 04:33 AM
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Judging from the instructions, I'd imagine you could install or remove the gear within just a minute or two (once you got the wheels onto the struts). Each of them is held on with three screws which are easily accessible. The nosewheel is steerable, but even if I was using the gear I'd probably save the servo weight by just using differential thrust from the motors instead of a steerable nosewheel. There are gear doors you can apply if you're not using the gear, but they're installed by taping them on, so you wouldn't want to be installing and removing them if you could help it.

It's also worth noting that the Phase3 instruction manuals are pretty much the best I've read so far. I built an E-Flite P-47, Phase3 P-38, and Phase3 F-16, and I think it really spoiled me, because I cannot stand the instructions that came with my Alfa jets now, or my Hyperion P-51, or my H-L Executive Jet. Really, I hate them all after having these Phase3 ones.
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Old 03-29-2008, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly Time View Post
Hey look at this. P-38 combos are cheap!

Decisions, decisions...
That P 38 is very nice, I was looking at the Specs, and the ESC/BEC is only rated at 1 amp, if you buy this plane, I would install a seperate 3 AMP UBEC to be on the safe side, Just My 2 cents worth, Take care, Chellie

ESC Specifications:

Voltage range: Li-Po: 2-3 cells (7.4V-11.1V) / NiCd/NiMH: 6-9 cells (7.2V-10.8V)
Constant Current: 15.0A
Maximum Current: 20.0A for 15 seconds
Maximum RPM: - 2-pole motor / 210,000 rpm
- 6-pole motor / 70,000 rpm
- 12-pole motor / 35,000 rpm
Protection: Over/under working battery voltage alarm
In-flight low-voltage protection - soft throttle reduction
No signal protection
BEC Current: 1.0Amp
Weight: 10.0g
Size: 36 x 21 x 6mm
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Old 03-29-2008, 06:23 AM
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You should have two BEC's working together in parallel, though, shouldn't you?
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Old 03-29-2008, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PerlAddict View Post
You should have two BEC's working together in parallel, though, shouldn't you?
yes, but that only gives you a 2 amp BEC, and BEC built into ESC are below the rated Amp rating, I always try to run 1 servo per AMP of BEC amp rateing of the ESC, because I know that its not a full true amp, coming out of the BEC, just to play it safe, Take care, Chellie
http://www.dimensionengineering.com/BECFAQ.htm
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Old 03-29-2008, 01:10 PM
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You should have two BEC's working together in parallel, though, shouldn't you?
Not all BECS do this - so be very careful. Castle PHX do but they are one of the few. Mike
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Old 03-29-2008, 02:44 PM
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I was under the impression that if you had one ESC plugged into one channel, and another ESC plugged into another channel, then both provided their BEC functionality (1A from the first, and 1A from the second). I just picked that up in reading about a couple of multi-engine planes, though, and I didn't pursue the source of the info much because I was using an external BEC at the time anyway. The person who had stated that was using a nondescript brand of ESC.

I'd be curious what works and what doesn't, and in what setup (eg, wiring the ESC's together and running a single wire back to the throttle, and running them off two separate channels and mixing them [what I'm currently doing on my P-38]).
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