Wing Dragon/Wing Dragon 4/Begin-Air Series Planes Tips & Tricks
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Wing Dragon/Wing Dragon 4/Begin-Air Series Planes Tips & Tricks
This is a collection of Tips & Tricks for the Wing Dragon/Wing Dragon 4/Begin-Air (Wing Dragon Sportster) series of planes.
If anyone would like to add to this topic, make changes, or corrections please feel free to add a post and I'll add it within this post.
Last update:
October 8, 2009 - Added parts suppliers for Great Britain, Spain, and Europe. This can be found under Other useful information:.
June 1, 2009 - Added another link to a Wing Dragon to Wing Dragon 4 modification to the Various forums where information was gathered: section. If you don't want to scroll down, here's the link:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1054345
April 7, 2009 - A new member has done a remarkable makeover of a WD4. Check it out here:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...316#post589316
April 6, 2008 - Not specifically for these planes but I thought it could be an interesting possibility to recover a Lipo battery that's been over discharged. There's no guarantee it will work, but I thought I'd post the link anyway.
Help! Is this LIPO Dead??
April 5, 2008 - The results of bench and field tests of various props. The tests were performed on a Begin-Air.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32853
February 17, 2008 - A discussion on various props for the Wing Dragon 4.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28852
November 12, 2007 - The Fetchomatic 3000 is an interesting treed plane retrieval device that can be made at home and is small enough to be carried around in your flight box.
October 11, 2007 - Art-Tech E-FlyTX100B hidden feature. V-tail Mixing - by NorseWing
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755501
September 12, 2007 - Information about crystals that will work with the Art-Tech E-Fly 100C 72 MHz 6 channel receiver can be found under Other useful information:
September 12, 2007 - My own brushless outrunner and other modifications build - by Sir Raleigh
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=362
September 6, 2007 - ALERT: Possible Problem With Art-Tech 9.6 volt, 1000 mA Batteries - by Sir Raleigh
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...76#post8128201
September 4, 2007 - A very detailed description of extensive modifications to a WD4 - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=352
August 31, 2007 - A list of upgraded brushless motors, ESCs, props, and batteries as supplied by WD/WD4/BA owners can be found at the end of this post.
August 29, 2007 - Can I use my Futaba 7C with my ArtTech WingDragon? - by GetterDragun http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734719
August 28, 2007 - How to trim your plane - by NoFlyZone
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555344
August 26, 2007 - Added links to reviews in the Reviews: section for the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air/Wing Dragon Sportster.
August 22, 2007 - Replace stock main landing gear with the one from the Super Cub - by flydave http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=296
August 22, 2007 - Add a steerable tail wheel for the WD4! - by herk_1
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=292
August 19, 2007 - Additional discussion and some results after setting up the ailerons as flaperons/spoilerons - by Joe2003
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698260
July 31, 2007 - Additional information about his raised outrunner motor mount - by herk_1 (Original mod post is #74) http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=281
July 25, 2007 - Added information on how to cover the wing and making it "wing like steel" - by CSI (Ken).
July 25, 2007 - Added information for replacing the hinge tape on the ailerons for the Wing Dragon 4 which could also include the Begin-Air - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10
July 22, 2007 - Added web links in the Other useful information: section for spare parts for the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air.
July 22, 2007 - Added information about the possible weakness of the aileron horns and a fix - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=76
Okay, here's some information I've gleaned from the various groups and forums.
This information can be applied to the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air/Wing Dragon Sportster, except as noted.
This post will be updated/modified/corrected as additional information is obtained until I run out of things to add.
Reviews:
Wing Dragon: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277988 by Dave Lauck
Wing Dragon 4: http://www.masportaviator.com/ah.asp...ID=166&index=0 by Francis DiNovio
Begin-Air/Wing Dragon Sportster: http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=443 by Greg Convey
Various forums where information was gathered:
Wing Dragon, using Wing Dragon 4 wing - by doggit
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1054345
A LiPo Brushless Wing Dragon 4 - by quorneng
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...316#post589316
Does Anyone Know Why I Should Not Buy The Wing Dragon 4 RTF Aileron Trainer? - by Sir Raleigh
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20780
Problem building Wing Dragon 4 - by herk_1
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...ht=wing+dragon
Wing Dragon / Beginair beef up!! - by stinkweed007
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18190
WingDragon 4 upgrade to Brushless - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683751
Wing Dragon Sportster Problem - daniirwan
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...ht=wing+dragon
Wing Dragon 4 Maiden... Well, sort of...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719468
Wing Dragon Flapperons? - by ratb
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=665921
Wing dragon aileron flaps? - by Joe2003
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698260
A beginner's advice to beginners - by NoFlyZone
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555344
Can I use my Futaba 7C with my ArtTech WingDragon? - by GetterDragun
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734719
Art-Tech E-FlyTX100B hidden feature. V-tail Mixing - by NorseWing
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755501
Things to check during assembly, and some suggested modifications
There are 4 screws (2 on each side) that hold the servo tray inside the plane. These screws are rather small and can easily pull through the soft plastic of the fuselage during a crash. These should be replaced with slightly larger ones, or at least put washers under the screw heads of the existing ones.
If notch in vertical stabilizer doesn't fit, move the stabilizer back, don't cut the notch longer. There are some images here showing the problem: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...ht=wing+dragon
NOTE: The tail feathers fit perfectly on my WD4. No adjustment was necessary. The mfgr. might have fixed this problem.
If the battery is loose, use a piece of foam cut into a wedge to hold it in, then put a rubber band around the nose. Fill the nose with expanding foam then cut out a square for the battery. I attached Velcro strips on the inside with screws and nuts in the nose of the plane. The Velcro then holds the battery in like a seat belt. (Check out Images 6 & 7 in My Modifications post to see what I did.)
If the tail feathers are crooked on the boom, one problem could be that the boom twists in the fuselage.
Use #64 rubber bands as replacements to hold the wing on.
In the beginning, move the control rod to the hole closest to the servos and furthest away on the ailerons to reduce control sensitivity.
All except Wing Dragon
To help prevent the prop from biting into the wing:
1- Cut two triangles out of the wings from the trailing edge closest to the divider plastic, to the inner corner of the ailerons. See this post: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=129
2 - If you don't want to cut the notches, then installing Velcro on top of the wing tower and under the wing to help prevent the wing from twisting might be another solution. See the third image in this post for an example: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=231
3 - Clear packing tape on the trailing edge of the wing between the ailerons and wing center may be another alternative.
All except Wing Dragon
On a new tail work the rudder/elevator back and forth a few times to free them before flying the first time.
Strengthen the wing spar. Use CF rod, reinforced or clear packing tape across the bottom of the wing from wingtip to wingtip. This may require the wing halves be glued together.
One possible configuration using CF rod: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=231
Run a length of reinforced or clear packing tape along the leading edge of the wing. Center the strip of tape along the leading edge, then fold the top half of the tape over the top of the wing and the bottom half of the tape over the bottom of the wing.
On the Wing Dragon, you might want to do the same thing on the trailing edge.
Replace the plastic wing tie-down pins with wooden dowels of the same diameter. Glue retaining caps on the ends.
Here is an easy coat hanger mod for the rear wing tie-down:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...14&postcount=3 (Image)
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...2&postcount=12 (Construction)
Another weak spot are the ailerons (at least on the Wing Dragon 4 wing). The area where the control horns are secured to the aileron may break loose. It needs to be reinforced.
BosTom talks about this and has a video and a link to his fix and can be accessed from here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=76
About the ailerons again. The hinge tape should probably be replaced. Here is a fix by BosTom: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10
All except Wing Dragon
If you want a really strong wing, then check out how CSI (Ken) covered his Wing Dragon 4's wing and made them "wings like steel".
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=253
Not specifically directed to the Wing Dragon series of planes but of interest is a discussion on how to trim a plane before your first powered flight.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555344
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Other useful information:
Props:
7x3SF (stock)
A discussion on various props.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28852
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32853
CG:
Located at the plywood wing joiner, which is about 2-3/4" aft of the leading edge, or at the aft edge of the plywood, to about 1/16" behind it.
Spare parts for the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air.
http://www.thegoodiesmartrc.co.uk/wi...arts-200-c.asp (UK Dealer)
http://www.nitrotek.co.uk/products.php?cat=43 (Great Britain, Spain, and Europe)
http://jaghobbies.com/rc_cars/wingdragon.htm
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/b_a_spare_parts.html
https://www.quicktechhobby.com/Airpl...rts%20List.htm
(CAUTION: Apparently Quick Tech Hobby is a problem vendor in as much as there has been one report of them taking orders but not shipping. See this post for more information.)
Steerable tailwheel for the WD4!
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=292
Main landing gear replacement
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=296
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Information about crystals that will work with the Art-Tech E-Fly 100C 72 MHz 6 channel receiver
If you would like to change frequencies these crystals have been proven to work:
Low band: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXBFL1**&P=V
High band: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXBFL2**&P=V
Brushless outrunner motor mounts:
Stick:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=85
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=245
External Firewall:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...8&postcount=74
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...9&postcount=76
herk_1 has made additional comments about possible problems with his raised outrunner motor mount. See his comments here: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=281
Internal Firewall:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...57&postcount=1
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...72&postcount=5
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=72
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=127
Brushless inrunner installation:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...4&postcount=10 (Photos only)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580649 (Photos at post #23)
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A list of brushless Motor/ESC/Prop/Battery upgrades as supplied by WD/WD4/BA owners:
The information below has been supplied by:
anatoly on RCGroups.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21 (aka BP-21), outrunner
ESC: Hi-Model Economic, 18 Amp (aka Hobbywing Sword, 18A)
Prop: GWS, 7x6SF
Battery: Hi-Model, 11.1 Volts, 1700 mAh, 20C, LiPo
I don't have any photos of this, but it's a similar setup to what has already been posted since I'm using the TowerPro aluminum firewall mount. I've been very happy with this setup.
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flyerdave on RCGroups.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21, outrunner
ESC: Emax, 25 Amp
Prop: GWS, 7060 Electric
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6 Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH (until they croak)
Battery: Emax, 11.1, Volts, 1800 mAh, LiPo (still not used to it)
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BosTom on RCGroups.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21T-3A, outrunner
ESC: Hi-Model Professional, 18 Amp
Prop: GWS, 7x6 EP (7060)
Battery: Thunder Power, 11.1 Volts, 1320 mAh, LiPo
More info about my upgrade on the following thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683751
Newer photos of the upgrade can be seen here:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...28&postcount=4
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CSI on RCGrops.com
Motor: BP12 (delta wind), outrunner. KMS aluminum mount
ESC: Castle Creations Thunderbird, 18 Amp
Prop: APC, 8x6 E
Battery: Electrifly, 11.1 Volts, 1500 mAh, 15C, LiPo
Full throttle: 12.5amps, 125 watts
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pablo27 on WattFlyer.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2409-12T, outrunner
ESC: Hi-Model fly, 40 Amp, BEC.
Prop: APC, 8x4 with adaptor
Battery: Hi-Model, 11.1 Volts, 1700 mAh, 20C, LiPo
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Sir Raleigh
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21 (BP21), outrunner
ESC: 'Power Up', 20 Amp, 2 Amp BEC
Prop: Stock, 7x3SF, drilled and tapped for 3mm shaft
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6 Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH
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galaxiex on RCGroups.com
Motor: Dual Sky, XM2826CA, 15 turn, 1200kv, 44gr., outrunner
ESC: E-Flight, 20 Amp
Prop: APC, 7X5
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6 Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH
galaxiex also has a very interesting and unique way of mounting an outrunner motor on the inside of the plane.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...56&postcount=8
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bajinuk on WattFlyer.com
Motor: EnErG, A28-15, 2000 RPM/V, inrunner
ESC: Hi-Model Professional, 30 Amp
Prop: Hobbico Sky Pilot, 7x3
Battery: Hi-Model, 11.1 Volts, 2200 mAh, 20C, LiPo
Power: 9.4 Volts, 22.8 Amps
RPM: 16,000
Static Thrust: 700g (24.7 oz.)
Flying Weight: 875g (30.9 oz.)
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HeadMaster on WattFlyer.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21, outrunner
ESC: 'Power Up', 20 Amp, Pro
Prop: GWS, 7x6 EP (7060)
Battery: Hi Model, 11.1 Volts, 1300 mAh, 20C, LiPo
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6, Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH
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cvelozo on RCGroups.com
Motor: Towerpro, 2409-12 Delta, outrunner
ESC: Tower Pro, 25 Amp
Prop: Stock 6" (identical to Parkzone PKZ1002)
Battery: 11.1 Volts, 1300 mAh, 15C, Lipo
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Lancer31 on RCGroups.com
Motor: TowerPro, 2408-21T-3A, outrunner
ESC: HexTronik Pro, 18A, BESC, 2 Amp.
Prop: GWS, EP 7060
Battery: KOKAM, 11.1 Volts, 1500mAh, Lipo.
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Liquidity on WattFlyer.com
Begin-Air
Motor: SK400xt outrunner
ESC: Castle Creations Thunderbird 18A ESC
Prop: APC 7x6
Battery: Thunder Power 11.1 volts, 2100 mAh Prolite 15c/24c, Lipo
Works well with a Thunder Power 11.1 volt, 1320 mAh , Lipo if you add some weight
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meesier42 on WattFlyer.com
Motor: TowerPro 2408-21T-3A brushless outrunner (firewall mount)
ESC: PowerUp 18A with 2A BEC
Prop: GWS 7035 and APC 7x5E
Battery: WowRC 11.1 volts, 1200 mAh, 15C, Lipo
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More will be added as the information is received.
For reference purposes:
350 brushed/geared motor: 2.2 ounces and will produce up to 16 ounces of thrust at 8.4 volts. Using a higher voltage usually results in a very short motor lifespan.
400 brushed/geared motor: 3.3 ounces and will produce about 19 ounces of thrust at 12 volts.
Also, keep in mind that if you run LiPo batteries that they are lighter than NiMH and you'll need to add some weight to the nose to bring the CG back in line.
If anyone would like to add to this topic, make changes, or corrections please feel free to add a post and I'll add it within this post.
Last update:
October 8, 2009 - Added parts suppliers for Great Britain, Spain, and Europe. This can be found under Other useful information:.
June 1, 2009 - Added another link to a Wing Dragon to Wing Dragon 4 modification to the Various forums where information was gathered: section. If you don't want to scroll down, here's the link:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1054345
April 7, 2009 - A new member has done a remarkable makeover of a WD4. Check it out here:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...316#post589316
April 6, 2008 - Not specifically for these planes but I thought it could be an interesting possibility to recover a Lipo battery that's been over discharged. There's no guarantee it will work, but I thought I'd post the link anyway.
Help! Is this LIPO Dead??
April 5, 2008 - The results of bench and field tests of various props. The tests were performed on a Begin-Air.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32853
February 17, 2008 - A discussion on various props for the Wing Dragon 4.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28852
November 12, 2007 - The Fetchomatic 3000 is an interesting treed plane retrieval device that can be made at home and is small enough to be carried around in your flight box.
October 11, 2007 - Art-Tech E-FlyTX100B hidden feature. V-tail Mixing - by NorseWing
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755501
September 12, 2007 - Information about crystals that will work with the Art-Tech E-Fly 100C 72 MHz 6 channel receiver can be found under Other useful information:
September 12, 2007 - My own brushless outrunner and other modifications build - by Sir Raleigh
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=362
September 6, 2007 - ALERT: Possible Problem With Art-Tech 9.6 volt, 1000 mA Batteries - by Sir Raleigh
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...76#post8128201
September 4, 2007 - A very detailed description of extensive modifications to a WD4 - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=352
August 31, 2007 - A list of upgraded brushless motors, ESCs, props, and batteries as supplied by WD/WD4/BA owners can be found at the end of this post.
August 29, 2007 - Can I use my Futaba 7C with my ArtTech WingDragon? - by GetterDragun http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734719
August 28, 2007 - How to trim your plane - by NoFlyZone
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555344
August 26, 2007 - Added links to reviews in the Reviews: section for the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air/Wing Dragon Sportster.
August 22, 2007 - Replace stock main landing gear with the one from the Super Cub - by flydave http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=296
August 22, 2007 - Add a steerable tail wheel for the WD4! - by herk_1
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=292
August 19, 2007 - Additional discussion and some results after setting up the ailerons as flaperons/spoilerons - by Joe2003
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698260
July 31, 2007 - Additional information about his raised outrunner motor mount - by herk_1 (Original mod post is #74) http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=281
July 25, 2007 - Added information on how to cover the wing and making it "wing like steel" - by CSI (Ken).
July 25, 2007 - Added information for replacing the hinge tape on the ailerons for the Wing Dragon 4 which could also include the Begin-Air - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10
July 22, 2007 - Added web links in the Other useful information: section for spare parts for the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air.
July 22, 2007 - Added information about the possible weakness of the aileron horns and a fix - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=76
Okay, here's some information I've gleaned from the various groups and forums.
This information can be applied to the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air/Wing Dragon Sportster, except as noted.
This post will be updated/modified/corrected as additional information is obtained until I run out of things to add.
Reviews:
Wing Dragon: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277988 by Dave Lauck
Wing Dragon 4: http://www.masportaviator.com/ah.asp...ID=166&index=0 by Francis DiNovio
Begin-Air/Wing Dragon Sportster: http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=443 by Greg Convey
Various forums where information was gathered:
Wing Dragon, using Wing Dragon 4 wing - by doggit
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1054345
A LiPo Brushless Wing Dragon 4 - by quorneng
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...316#post589316
Does Anyone Know Why I Should Not Buy The Wing Dragon 4 RTF Aileron Trainer? - by Sir Raleigh
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20780
Problem building Wing Dragon 4 - by herk_1
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...ht=wing+dragon
Wing Dragon / Beginair beef up!! - by stinkweed007
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18190
WingDragon 4 upgrade to Brushless - by BosTom
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683751
Wing Dragon Sportster Problem - daniirwan
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...ht=wing+dragon
Wing Dragon 4 Maiden... Well, sort of...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719468
Wing Dragon Flapperons? - by ratb
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=665921
Wing dragon aileron flaps? - by Joe2003
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698260
A beginner's advice to beginners - by NoFlyZone
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555344
Can I use my Futaba 7C with my ArtTech WingDragon? - by GetterDragun
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734719
Art-Tech E-FlyTX100B hidden feature. V-tail Mixing - by NorseWing
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755501
Things to check during assembly, and some suggested modifications
There are 4 screws (2 on each side) that hold the servo tray inside the plane. These screws are rather small and can easily pull through the soft plastic of the fuselage during a crash. These should be replaced with slightly larger ones, or at least put washers under the screw heads of the existing ones.
If notch in vertical stabilizer doesn't fit, move the stabilizer back, don't cut the notch longer. There are some images here showing the problem: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...ht=wing+dragon
NOTE: The tail feathers fit perfectly on my WD4. No adjustment was necessary. The mfgr. might have fixed this problem.
If the battery is loose, use a piece of foam cut into a wedge to hold it in, then put a rubber band around the nose. Fill the nose with expanding foam then cut out a square for the battery. I attached Velcro strips on the inside with screws and nuts in the nose of the plane. The Velcro then holds the battery in like a seat belt. (Check out Images 6 & 7 in My Modifications post to see what I did.)
If the tail feathers are crooked on the boom, one problem could be that the boom twists in the fuselage.
Use #64 rubber bands as replacements to hold the wing on.
In the beginning, move the control rod to the hole closest to the servos and furthest away on the ailerons to reduce control sensitivity.
All except Wing Dragon
To help prevent the prop from biting into the wing:
1- Cut two triangles out of the wings from the trailing edge closest to the divider plastic, to the inner corner of the ailerons. See this post: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=129
2 - If you don't want to cut the notches, then installing Velcro on top of the wing tower and under the wing to help prevent the wing from twisting might be another solution. See the third image in this post for an example: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=231
3 - Clear packing tape on the trailing edge of the wing between the ailerons and wing center may be another alternative.
All except Wing Dragon
On a new tail work the rudder/elevator back and forth a few times to free them before flying the first time.
Strengthen the wing spar. Use CF rod, reinforced or clear packing tape across the bottom of the wing from wingtip to wingtip. This may require the wing halves be glued together.
One possible configuration using CF rod: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=231
Run a length of reinforced or clear packing tape along the leading edge of the wing. Center the strip of tape along the leading edge, then fold the top half of the tape over the top of the wing and the bottom half of the tape over the bottom of the wing.
On the Wing Dragon, you might want to do the same thing on the trailing edge.
Replace the plastic wing tie-down pins with wooden dowels of the same diameter. Glue retaining caps on the ends.
Here is an easy coat hanger mod for the rear wing tie-down:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...14&postcount=3 (Image)
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...2&postcount=12 (Construction)
Another weak spot are the ailerons (at least on the Wing Dragon 4 wing). The area where the control horns are secured to the aileron may break loose. It needs to be reinforced.
BosTom talks about this and has a video and a link to his fix and can be accessed from here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=76
About the ailerons again. The hinge tape should probably be replaced. Here is a fix by BosTom: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10
All except Wing Dragon
If you want a really strong wing, then check out how CSI (Ken) covered his Wing Dragon 4's wing and made them "wings like steel".
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=253
Not specifically directed to the Wing Dragon series of planes but of interest is a discussion on how to trim a plane before your first powered flight.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555344
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Other useful information:
Props:
7x3SF (stock)
A discussion on various props.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28852
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32853
CG:
Located at the plywood wing joiner, which is about 2-3/4" aft of the leading edge, or at the aft edge of the plywood, to about 1/16" behind it.
Spare parts for the Wing Dragon, Wing Dragon 4, and Begin-Air.
http://www.thegoodiesmartrc.co.uk/wi...arts-200-c.asp (UK Dealer)
http://www.nitrotek.co.uk/products.php?cat=43 (Great Britain, Spain, and Europe)
http://jaghobbies.com/rc_cars/wingdragon.htm
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/b_a_spare_parts.html
https://www.quicktechhobby.com/Airpl...rts%20List.htm
(CAUTION: Apparently Quick Tech Hobby is a problem vendor in as much as there has been one report of them taking orders but not shipping. See this post for more information.)
Steerable tailwheel for the WD4!
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=292
Main landing gear replacement
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=296
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Information about crystals that will work with the Art-Tech E-Fly 100C 72 MHz 6 channel receiver
If you would like to change frequencies these crystals have been proven to work:
Low band: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXBFL1**&P=V
High band: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXBFL2**&P=V
Brushless outrunner motor mounts:
Stick:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=85
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=245
External Firewall:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...8&postcount=74
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...9&postcount=76
herk_1 has made additional comments about possible problems with his raised outrunner motor mount. See his comments here: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...&postcount=281
Internal Firewall:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...57&postcount=1
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...72&postcount=5
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=72
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=127
Brushless inrunner installation:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...4&postcount=10 (Photos only)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580649 (Photos at post #23)
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A list of brushless Motor/ESC/Prop/Battery upgrades as supplied by WD/WD4/BA owners:
The information below has been supplied by:
anatoly on RCGroups.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21 (aka BP-21), outrunner
ESC: Hi-Model Economic, 18 Amp (aka Hobbywing Sword, 18A)
Prop: GWS, 7x6SF
Battery: Hi-Model, 11.1 Volts, 1700 mAh, 20C, LiPo
I don't have any photos of this, but it's a similar setup to what has already been posted since I'm using the TowerPro aluminum firewall mount. I've been very happy with this setup.
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flyerdave on RCGroups.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21, outrunner
ESC: Emax, 25 Amp
Prop: GWS, 7060 Electric
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6 Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH (until they croak)
Battery: Emax, 11.1, Volts, 1800 mAh, LiPo (still not used to it)
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BosTom on RCGroups.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21T-3A, outrunner
ESC: Hi-Model Professional, 18 Amp
Prop: GWS, 7x6 EP (7060)
Battery: Thunder Power, 11.1 Volts, 1320 mAh, LiPo
More info about my upgrade on the following thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683751
Newer photos of the upgrade can be seen here:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...28&postcount=4
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CSI on RCGrops.com
Motor: BP12 (delta wind), outrunner. KMS aluminum mount
ESC: Castle Creations Thunderbird, 18 Amp
Prop: APC, 8x6 E
Battery: Electrifly, 11.1 Volts, 1500 mAh, 15C, LiPo
Full throttle: 12.5amps, 125 watts
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pablo27 on WattFlyer.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2409-12T, outrunner
ESC: Hi-Model fly, 40 Amp, BEC.
Prop: APC, 8x4 with adaptor
Battery: Hi-Model, 11.1 Volts, 1700 mAh, 20C, LiPo
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Sir Raleigh
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21 (BP21), outrunner
ESC: 'Power Up', 20 Amp, 2 Amp BEC
Prop: Stock, 7x3SF, drilled and tapped for 3mm shaft
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6 Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH
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galaxiex on RCGroups.com
Motor: Dual Sky, XM2826CA, 15 turn, 1200kv, 44gr., outrunner
ESC: E-Flight, 20 Amp
Prop: APC, 7X5
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6 Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH
galaxiex also has a very interesting and unique way of mounting an outrunner motor on the inside of the plane.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...56&postcount=8
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bajinuk on WattFlyer.com
Motor: EnErG, A28-15, 2000 RPM/V, inrunner
ESC: Hi-Model Professional, 30 Amp
Prop: Hobbico Sky Pilot, 7x3
Battery: Hi-Model, 11.1 Volts, 2200 mAh, 20C, LiPo
Power: 9.4 Volts, 22.8 Amps
RPM: 16,000
Static Thrust: 700g (24.7 oz.)
Flying Weight: 875g (30.9 oz.)
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HeadMaster on WattFlyer.com
Motor: Tower Pro, 2408-21, outrunner
ESC: 'Power Up', 20 Amp, Pro
Prop: GWS, 7x6 EP (7060)
Battery: Hi Model, 11.1 Volts, 1300 mAh, 20C, LiPo
Battery: Art-tech, 9.6, Volts, 1000 mAh, NiMH
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cvelozo on RCGroups.com
Motor: Towerpro, 2409-12 Delta, outrunner
ESC: Tower Pro, 25 Amp
Prop: Stock 6" (identical to Parkzone PKZ1002)
Battery: 11.1 Volts, 1300 mAh, 15C, Lipo
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Lancer31 on RCGroups.com
Motor: TowerPro, 2408-21T-3A, outrunner
ESC: HexTronik Pro, 18A, BESC, 2 Amp.
Prop: GWS, EP 7060
Battery: KOKAM, 11.1 Volts, 1500mAh, Lipo.
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Liquidity on WattFlyer.com
Begin-Air
Motor: SK400xt outrunner
ESC: Castle Creations Thunderbird 18A ESC
Prop: APC 7x6
Battery: Thunder Power 11.1 volts, 2100 mAh Prolite 15c/24c, Lipo
Works well with a Thunder Power 11.1 volt, 1320 mAh , Lipo if you add some weight
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meesier42 on WattFlyer.com
Motor: TowerPro 2408-21T-3A brushless outrunner (firewall mount)
ESC: PowerUp 18A with 2A BEC
Prop: GWS 7035 and APC 7x5E
Battery: WowRC 11.1 volts, 1200 mAh, 15C, Lipo
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More will be added as the information is received.
For reference purposes:
350 brushed/geared motor: 2.2 ounces and will produce up to 16 ounces of thrust at 8.4 volts. Using a higher voltage usually results in a very short motor lifespan.
400 brushed/geared motor: 3.3 ounces and will produce about 19 ounces of thrust at 12 volts.
Also, keep in mind that if you run LiPo batteries that they are lighter than NiMH and you'll need to add some weight to the nose to bring the CG back in line.
Last edited by Sir Raleigh; 10-09-2009 at 01:23 AM.
09-06-2007, 06:43 PM
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Bringing this topic back to the top because of a major problem found with the Art-Tech 9.6 volt, 1000 mA, NiMH batteries.
Read the original post above and the update dated September 6, 2007 and follow the link.
Read the original post above and the update dated September 6, 2007 and follow the link.
09-27-2007, 06:48 AM
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sir.raleigh, i have a couple of spare part sites for any guys living in australia and wanting to purchase any part or parts for the wing dragon 3 and 4. they also sell complete air frames minus r/c , motor , esc, batteries for around $60 au. rchobbycentre.com and dalcomhobbies.com
09-28-2007, 03:45 AM
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Hi nipper,
Could you post a link to the list of parts for rchobbycentre.com? I'm unable to find them just by going to their home page.
Got a "Server not found" for dalcombobbies.com. Could you check that one out again?
Thanks,
Could you post a link to the list of parts for rchobbycentre.com? I'm unable to find them just by going to their home page.
Got a "Server not found" for dalcombobbies.com. Could you check that one out again?
Thanks,
09-28-2007, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Raleigh
Hi nipper,
Could you post a link to the list of parts for rchobbycentre.com? I'm unable to find them just by going to their home page.
Got a "Server not found" for dalcombobbies.com. Could you check that one out again?
Thanks,
Could you post a link to the list of parts for rchobbycentre.com? I'm unable to find them just by going to their home page.
Got a "Server not found" for dalcombobbies.com. Could you check that one out again?
Thanks,
09-28-2007, 03:54 PM
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Thanks nipper.
I'll send rchobbycentre.com an email to see if they would like to supply a link for the parts, or if not, if they would mind that I added their email address in my Tips and Tricks for you guys in Australia.
I'll send rchobbycentre.com an email to see if they would like to supply a link for the parts, or if not, if they would mind that I added their email address in my Tips and Tricks for you guys in Australia.
10-11-2007, 10:14 PM
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A new update to the Tips & Tricks...
NorseWing over on RCGroups.com has discovered the E-FLY 100 transmitter has a hidden switch that will activate V-Tail mixing.
Not useful on the WD/BA series planes, but if you move the Tx/Rx to a plane with a "V" tail, you won't need an external mixer.
NorseWing over on RCGroups.com has discovered the E-FLY 100 transmitter has a hidden switch that will activate V-Tail mixing.
Not useful on the WD/BA series planes, but if you move the Tx/Rx to a plane with a "V" tail, you won't need an external mixer.
Last edited by Sir Raleigh; 10-18-2007 at 06:25 PM.
10-18-2007, 06:05 PM
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Hi Sir Raleigh,
Great job compiling all this info on WD. After months of tinkering here is my final setup.
motor: EnErG A28-15 2000 RPM/V inrunner
prop: Hobbico Sky Pilot 7x3
ESC: HiModel Professional 30A
battery: Himodel 2200mAh 11.1V 20C
power: [email protected]
rpm: 16000
static thrust: 700g
Flying weight: 875g
Great job compiling all this info on WD. After months of tinkering here is my final setup.
motor: EnErG A28-15 2000 RPM/V inrunner
prop: Hobbico Sky Pilot 7x3
ESC: HiModel Professional 30A
battery: Himodel 2200mAh 11.1V 20C
power: [email protected]
rpm: 16000
static thrust: 700g
Flying weight: 875g
10-20-2007, 02:45 AM
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Here is my brushless setup info:
Motor: Brushless Tower Pro 2408-21
ESC: Power up 20 Amp pro
Prop: GWS 7x6 EP (7060)
Battery: Hi Model 11.1 Volts 1300 mAh LiPo 20c and stock 1k mAh ni-mh
I also stumbled upon an easy way to sure up the area where the brushed stock motor was. There is a sleeve on the outside of the brushed stock motor that will slide off....you can simply slip this sleeve back in the hole it came out of and secure it through the side with a small sheet metal screw.
Motor: Brushless Tower Pro 2408-21
ESC: Power up 20 Amp pro
Prop: GWS 7x6 EP (7060)
Battery: Hi Model 11.1 Volts 1300 mAh LiPo 20c and stock 1k mAh ni-mh
I also stumbled upon an easy way to sure up the area where the brushed stock motor was. There is a sleeve on the outside of the brushed stock motor that will slide off....you can simply slip this sleeve back in the hole it came out of and secure it through the side with a small sheet metal screw.
04-06-2008, 05:17 AM
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Thread updated 4/5/08.
Added a link to teamgs' bench and field tests of some different props on a Begin-Air.
Bench test of props for BL BeginAir
Added a link to teamgs' bench and field tests of some different props on a Begin-Air.
Bench test of props for BL BeginAir
04-06-2008, 06:38 PM
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Thread updated 4/6/08
April 6, 2008 - Not specifically for these planes but I thought it could be an interesting possibility to recover a Lipo battery that's been over discharged. There's no guarantee it will work, but I thought I'd post the link anyway.
Help! Is this LIPO Dead??
April 6, 2008 - Not specifically for these planes but I thought it could be an interesting possibility to recover a Lipo battery that's been over discharged. There's no guarantee it will work, but I thought I'd post the link anyway.
Help! Is this LIPO Dead??
Thanks from everyone... I can see items will be added as this thread grows..
12-11-2008, 12:10 PM
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Hi Guys
I'm very new to R/C aircraft, I purchased a Wing Dragon Sportster a few months ago and man have had some great flights. A few questions though, I purchased a second hand JR Quattro TX awhile ago and thought I could use it with my Wing Dragon, the manual on the net states that the RX is compatiable with JR. So I purchased a set of crystals, inserted them and made all the right settings, checked all control services were moving correctly, great, off to the park I went, when disaster struck. I took off and made a turn to the right when all of a sudden it went into a nose dive and bang, nose first into the ground. Fortuneatly not much damage, so I thought lets try again, took off, heard the motor sputter, realized here comes trouble, tried to bring it down, it went into a nose dive again and bang into the ground again. This time the wing broke in two. It happened about 50 metres from where I was standing, yet it seems that it went out of range, as I had no control over what happened. I have now gone back to my original TX that came with the Wing Dragon, much better.
Second question, since the crash I have made some adjustments, checked the control rods and moved them on the control horns etc. Now when I fly it seems very sensitive in the air, very unstable. Any suggestions, have I made wrong adjustments on the control horns.
Thanks for all the great ideas.
Cheers
I'm very new to R/C aircraft, I purchased a Wing Dragon Sportster a few months ago and man have had some great flights. A few questions though, I purchased a second hand JR Quattro TX awhile ago and thought I could use it with my Wing Dragon, the manual on the net states that the RX is compatiable with JR. So I purchased a set of crystals, inserted them and made all the right settings, checked all control services were moving correctly, great, off to the park I went, when disaster struck. I took off and made a turn to the right when all of a sudden it went into a nose dive and bang, nose first into the ground. Fortuneatly not much damage, so I thought lets try again, took off, heard the motor sputter, realized here comes trouble, tried to bring it down, it went into a nose dive again and bang into the ground again. This time the wing broke in two. It happened about 50 metres from where I was standing, yet it seems that it went out of range, as I had no control over what happened. I have now gone back to my original TX that came with the Wing Dragon, much better.
Second question, since the crash I have made some adjustments, checked the control rods and moved them on the control horns etc. Now when I fly it seems very sensitive in the air, very unstable. Any suggestions, have I made wrong adjustments on the control horns.
Thanks for all the great ideas.
Cheers
12-11-2008, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Up & Away
Hi Guys
I'm very new to R/C aircraft, I purchased a Wing Dragon Sportster a few months ago and man have had some great flights. A few questions though, I purchased a second hand JR Quattro TX awhile ago and thought I could use it with my Wing Dragon, the manual on the net states that the RX is compatiable with JR. So I purchased a set of crystals, inserted them and made all the right settings, checked all control services were moving correctly, great, off to the park I went, when disaster struck. I took off and made a turn to the right when all of a sudden it went into a nose dive and bang, nose first into the ground. Fortuneatly not much damage, so I thought lets try again, took off, heard the motor sputter, realized here comes trouble, tried to bring it down, it went into a nose dive again and bang into the ground again. This time the wing broke in two. It happened about 50 metres from where I was standing, yet it seems that it went out of range, as I had no control over what happened. I have now gone back to my original TX that came with the Wing Dragon, much better.
I'm very new to R/C aircraft, I purchased a Wing Dragon Sportster a few months ago and man have had some great flights. A few questions though, I purchased a second hand JR Quattro TX awhile ago and thought I could use it with my Wing Dragon, the manual on the net states that the RX is compatiable with JR. So I purchased a set of crystals, inserted them and made all the right settings, checked all control services were moving correctly, great, off to the park I went, when disaster struck. I took off and made a turn to the right when all of a sudden it went into a nose dive and bang, nose first into the ground. Fortuneatly not much damage, so I thought lets try again, took off, heard the motor sputter, realized here comes trouble, tried to bring it down, it went into a nose dive again and bang into the ground again. This time the wing broke in two. It happened about 50 metres from where I was standing, yet it seems that it went out of range, as I had no control over what happened. I have now gone back to my original TX that came with the Wing Dragon, much better.
Not all crystals are the same. Putting one brand crystal into another brand receiver could change the receiver's sensitivity and shorten its range. And I have no idea what brand crystal fits in the receiver that comes with the WD/WD4/BA planes.
If you want to change the channel on the receiver my advice would be to replace the stock receiver with a new one with a crystal that's properly paired to it. This way in the future you'll know where to get crystals for it if you ever want to change channels again.
I replace mine with a Corona or LightFlightRC (they are both the same receiver) Single Conversion 6 channel with a matching crystal for around $15 - $20 and it does just fine.
Corona Single Conversion Receivers
LightFlightRC (You'll need to navigate to the receivers as there is no direct link to them.)
Originally Posted by Up & Away
Second question, since the crash I have made some adjustments, checked the control rods and moved them on the control horns etc. Now when I fly it seems very sensitive in the air, very unstable. Any suggestions, have I made wrong adjustments on the control horns.
Thanks for all the great ideas.
Cheers
Thanks for all the great ideas.
Cheers
Moving the control rod further away from the control surface and/or closer to the servo will decrease the response sensitivity.
Try starting out with the control rods in the center of each control horn and then move them in/out one hole at a time until you get the response you want.
01-05-2009, 12:49 PM
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Hi Sir Raleigh
Yes, I did do a range check as described by the WD instructions, although I had to pull the aerial out a bit more than on the original TX. I'm now using my original TX again, I'll stick with that, much better, Well until I get some extra cash.
Thanks for the info on the flight control sensitivity, great help, flies much better now. I thought I new alot, big surprise, make a small change on the ground, big change in the air.
Thanks a mill.
Yes, I did do a range check as described by the WD instructions, although I had to pull the aerial out a bit more than on the original TX. I'm now using my original TX again, I'll stick with that, much better, Well until I get some extra cash.
Thanks for the info on the flight control sensitivity, great help, flies much better now. I thought I new alot, big surprise, make a small change on the ground, big change in the air.
Thanks a mill.
03-04-2009, 03:41 AM
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Wing Dragon Classic Wing
Hello all,
I really appreciate all the information in the forum. I am looking to do a couple of upgrades my Wing Dragon Classic. The first one I am looking to do is replace the stock wing with one that has ailerons.
Does anyone know if one can replace the wing with that of the Sportster or 4? I would like to move to ailerons without cutting up my original wing.
Thanks in advance.
I really appreciate all the information in the forum. I am looking to do a couple of upgrades my Wing Dragon Classic. The first one I am looking to do is replace the stock wing with one that has ailerons.
Does anyone know if one can replace the wing with that of the Sportster or 4? I would like to move to ailerons without cutting up my original wing.
Thanks in advance.
03-04-2009, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboy330
Hello all,
I really appreciate all the information in the forum. I am looking to do a couple of upgrades my Wing Dragon Classic. The first one I am looking to do is replace the stock wing with one that has ailerons.
Does anyone know if one can replace the wing with that of the Sportster or 4? I would like to move to ailerons without cutting up my original wing.
Thanks in advance.
I really appreciate all the information in the forum. I am looking to do a couple of upgrades my Wing Dragon Classic. The first one I am looking to do is replace the stock wing with one that has ailerons.
Does anyone know if one can replace the wing with that of the Sportster or 4? I would like to move to ailerons without cutting up my original wing.
Thanks in advance.
Bill
03-04-2009, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Raleigh
Buy a replacement WD4 or Sportster wing. You'll have to add the servos, too, but any 9g servos will work. You'll need either a "Y" cable if you're going to use only one channel from your receiver, or 2 servo extension cables if you're going to put each servo on its own receiver channel. You may need the connecting rods, too.
Bill
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Originally Posted by flyboy330
Thanks for the info. I talked with Hobby-Lobby and they said the wings weren't compatible but some of the pics online here seem to say otherwise. Thanks again for all the great information.
BosTom, over on RCGroups, has made exactly the same modification you are wanting to do. Look back in the thread where you posted this same question and you'll find all his mods and how he did them. If you have any specific questions you can address them to BosTom and he will answer you. He's a great guy.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683751
Bill
