Flying the Super Cub
09-02-2008, 11:32 PM
#251
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Originally Posted by jksecunda
Tame is good. I will definitly buy the Decathlon 4 channel. I dont feel Im ready for wild aerobatics for some time. I think 80 mph is going to be too fast for me at ANY time. I dont react that quickly and really am flying for the enjoyment and think that kind of flying would be a tad stressful. I am also interested in building a plane (Telemaster).
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
SK
09-09-2008, 08:34 PM
#252
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New FMS model for HobbyZone Super Cub
Hi folks,
Having recently purchased a used HZ SC from another flyer.
I have been having a great time flying my cub with a Rhino 1050 mAh LiPoly. The lighter weight battery over stock means cruising around and ROG at 1/2 throttle.
That said, I took some pictures of my SC and created an FMS flight simulator model for the Super Cub.
You can download the model from my website.
Please try it out with FMS and give me some feed back regarding how close it flys to the real thing.
-- ggunners
Having recently purchased a used HZ SC from another flyer.
I have been having a great time flying my cub with a Rhino 1050 mAh LiPoly. The lighter weight battery over stock means cruising around and ROG at 1/2 throttle.
That said, I took some pictures of my SC and created an FMS flight simulator model for the Super Cub.
You can download the model from my website.
Please try it out with FMS and give me some feed back regarding how close it flys to the real thing.
-- ggunners
09-10-2008, 12:20 AM
#253
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Originally Posted by ggunners
Hi folks,
Having recently purchased a used HZ SC from another flyer.
I have been having a great time flying my cub with a Rhino 1050 mAh LiPoly. The lighter weight battery over stock means cruising around and ROG at 1/2 throttle.
That said, I took some pictures of my SC and created an FMS flight simulator model for the Super Cub.
You can download the model from my website.
Please try it out with FMS and give me some feed back regarding how close it flys to the real thing.
-- ggunners
Having recently purchased a used HZ SC from another flyer.
I have been having a great time flying my cub with a Rhino 1050 mAh LiPoly. The lighter weight battery over stock means cruising around and ROG at 1/2 throttle.
That said, I took some pictures of my SC and created an FMS flight simulator model for the Super Cub.
You can download the model from my website.
Please try it out with FMS and give me some feed back regarding how close it flys to the real thing.
-- ggunners
1. Have you ever built an FMS simulatuion model before
2. How long did it take you to create this sim
3. What makes this different than other HZ supercub FMS sims
Clint
09-10-2008, 03:04 AM
#254
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Originally Posted by cbatters
3Q 1. Have you ever built an FMS simulatuion model before 2. How long did it take you to create this sim 3. What makes this different than other HZ supercub FMS sims, Clint
2) This model took about 10 hours to create from taking pictures to complete 3D model and .par file.
3) This model is correctly modeled from actual photos and the FMS 2.8.5 .par file is accurately rendered from the 3D model. Almost all the other SuperCub FMS models are using the older FMS 2.7 .par file that does not provide accurate ground handling, multiple collision points and correct wind reaction.
FMS 2 alpha 8.5 (the latest) is required. For those with Vista, there are issues. Check the FMS Forum for work-arounds.
-- ggunners
09-10-2008, 03:44 AM
#256
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Originally Posted by ggunners
1) Yes, several, see my web site.
2) This model took about 10 hours to create from taking pictures to complete 3D model and .par file.
3) This model is correctly modeled from actual photos and the FMS 2.8.5 .par file is accurately rendered from the 3D model. Almost all the other SuperCub FMS models are using the older FMS 2.7 .par file that does not provide accurate ground handling, multiple collision points and correct wind reaction.
FMS 2 alpha 8.5 (the latest) is required. For those with Vista, there are issues. Check the FMS Forum for work-arounds.
-- ggunners
2) This model took about 10 hours to create from taking pictures to complete 3D model and .par file.
3) This model is correctly modeled from actual photos and the FMS 2.8.5 .par file is accurately rendered from the 3D model. Almost all the other SuperCub FMS models are using the older FMS 2.7 .par file that does not provide accurate ground handling, multiple collision points and correct wind reaction.
FMS 2 alpha 8.5 (the latest) is required. For those with Vista, there are issues. Check the FMS Forum for work-arounds.
-- ggunners
Clint
09-10-2008, 06:22 AM
#257
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Originally Posted by jksecunda
I was heavily leaning toward the Decathlon. There is a 3 channel and 4 channel. I was going to get the 4 channel cause I'm brave. I'm willing to take a chance. Is it a good chance I will do well, or am I getting into trouble with 4 channel?
Why not just convert the SC to 4 channels, its still simple to repair and most of the upgrades can be moved on to your next plane.
09-10-2008, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cjg
ggunners - nice rendering of the SC. Can you make a stock 3 channel version?
-- ggunners
09-10-2008, 01:04 PM
#259
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Originally Posted by cbatters
THX - What do you have to change in PAR file to simulate COG behind COL? Clint
MAIN
0.71 //Mass [Kg]
0.0497 //Roll Inertia Moment Ixx [kg*m^2]
0.032 //Pitch Inertia Moment Iyy [kg*m^2]
0.0731 //Yaw Inertia Moment Izz [kg*m^2]
-0.00087 //Ixz [kg*m^2]
-0.03 0 0 //CGadjust, X,Y,Z [m]
0.21 //Height of Center of gravity [m]
0.71 //Mass [Kg]
0.0497 //Roll Inertia Moment Ixx [kg*m^2]
0.032 //Pitch Inertia Moment Iyy [kg*m^2]
0.0731 //Yaw Inertia Moment Izz [kg*m^2]
-0.00087 //Ixz [kg*m^2]
-0.03 0 0 //CGadjust, X,Y,Z [m]
0.21 //Height of Center of gravity [m]
09-11-2008, 03:35 AM
#260
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Originally Posted by ggunners
Move the CG toward the rear, negative number in the MAIN section of the .par file. The XYZ CG setting .03 meters back would be -0.03 0 0.
Clint
09-13-2008, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cjg
ggunners - nice rendering of the SC. Can you make a stock 3 channel version?
Yours is 3 channel and emulates the HZ SC pretty well. It seems just a tad bit sluggish on the elevator and rudder. Perhaps that is because early on I moved my control connections in to make my SC more responsive.
Is there anyway to "tweak" the responsiveness of the controls?
Sorry about my earlier mistake....
09-15-2008, 03:58 PM
#263
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Originally Posted by cjg
Is there anyway to "tweak" the responsiveness of the controls?
As an example you could try:
//Wing3 <STAB>
10 //Maximum Angle [deg] change to 16 (elevator)
//Wing4 <FIN>
-18 //Maximum Angle [deg] change to -26 (rudder)
-- ggunners
09-15-2008, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDustyPagan
Is there a 4 channel (aileron) supercub fms model by any chance? 
Here's a 4 channel Super Cub.
Dropped dihedral from 6 degrees to 2 degrees. Added ailerons.
Rudder now on left stick with tail wheel. Ailerons on right stick.
-- ggunners
09-16-2008, 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ggunners
In the FMS .par file for the model, use Windows NotePad to increase the deflection for the control surface to something higher (lower if negative) until it more closely approximates your actual model.
As an example you could try:
//Wing3 <STAB>
10 //Maximum Angle [deg] change to 16 (elevator)
//Wing4 <FIN>
-18 //Maximum Angle [deg] change to -26 (rudder)
-- ggunners
As an example you could try:
//Wing3 <STAB>
10 //Maximum Angle [deg] change to 16 (elevator)
//Wing4 <FIN>
-18 //Maximum Angle [deg] change to -26 (rudder)
-- ggunners
Great trainer. Can't wait to share it with a friend who is struggling to learn to fly!
Last edited by cjg; 09-16-2008 at 02:22 AM.
09-21-2008, 07:24 PM
#266
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Originally Posted by ggunners
Yo Dusty!
Here's a 4 channel Super Cub.
Dropped dihedral from 6 degrees to 2 degrees. Added ailerons.
Rudder now on left stick with tail wheel. Ailerons on right stick.
-- ggunners
Here's a 4 channel Super Cub.
Dropped dihedral from 6 degrees to 2 degrees. Added ailerons.
Rudder now on left stick with tail wheel. Ailerons on right stick.
-- ggunners
02-08-2009, 01:27 AM
#267
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Originally Posted by Sabrehawk
it is one of the most misunderstood things about the air, and its mostly misunderstood of R/C flying
I soon learned to use the throttle.
BTW Great advice Sabrehawk.
