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Old 11-13-2005, 03:47 PM
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If there is one thing they NEED to do, is get rid of the warning points. It does nothing BUT insult people. Your case is incredible, and only proves the point. Jim seems like a nice enough guy, but he seems adament that it's a good thing to have, I just can't work that one out.

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Yup. And he is WRONG.
And the points system has always been used just as some petty vengeance thing. I mean, I got four points from some posts from four months ago. That's like a dozen points from one thread alone...you know which thread, Gouch, it was pretty funny...but for some <edited for Ad Hominem attack> to sit there and file through my posts for hours on end, pressing the report button...how pathetic is that?
And the politics filters out into the other forums, too. Lots of button-pushing by those who disagree with the politics of others.
And here's another thing? What's with the GUNS?
Family-freindly? Talk about a double standard! Can't say the word "fugly" but you can talk about shooting people all you want...
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There IS nobody moderating. You report, the person gets a warning. NOBODY is watching at all.
Is that a fact? I think I'll have to go as Jim if that's how it works
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I know the thread you speak of. It did get pretty nasty though...

Don't talk to me about gunthreads

I sarcastically mentioned that they warned a thread By Ron van summersomething (sory Ron?, forgot your last name!) and that they probably removed it to make way for more gun talk: Didn't that start something!! I sorted out the 'tiff' with the one I had "discussions" with, but I still stand by my opinion. Note, a "thought" or an "opinion" is NOT a demand

And the silly thing is, I'm not anti gun as such, it was the hypocrocy that I and others see that is funny. It is going to be pretty hard not to have a system that the whole world agrees on, as different countries have different levels of acceptability.

Actually, to be fair, does Jim actually allow discussions of shooting people?
I know they love a good gun chat, but I would be (or maybe not) surprised if they let it get to shooting people?

I'm all for a "mature" site. Not porn links and filthy language, and crap like that, just "normal" talk. Kids old enough to use computers nowdays are generally mature enough to hear the odd mild swear word and the like.

Maybe it would be handy to have an age range next to their name. That way you could word your reply to suit the person. People could bluff age of course, but sometimes you see a post by some kid that sounds a little "silly", and the next thing a heap of older experienced guys heap on him for being so stupid, but may not have done so if they knew he was a young person. I know I react differently if I'm talking to a junior as oposed to a "grown up" Not in a condesending way of course, but you give them some slack......sometimes

I think the main issue Jim has with "offensive" stuff is (apart from him being fairly conservative from what i gather) that I think it affects his getting hits from search engines with filters, thus reducing new traffic, which in the end affects the bottom line. I can see the point in this if it is true, and I'm not saying there is an answer, but I think it plays a part in all of this.

The point system, or a variation of it could work very well
Mike, I guess we still disagree. See the edited post by easytiger:

<edited for Ad Hominem attack>
Note: I didn't write anything naughty here, I'm just pasting in the mods edit job on easytigers thread

That is how you do it. The offensive remark was removed, mods did their job. Filtered search engines are kept happy? (a guess?)
If it happens too often, send them a PM, if it keeps going, do something about it.
But treating people like naughty kids with the stupid points system is doing no good.

Oh, and on another topic, allowing users to have multiple accounts can never be a good thing....can it?

I have discussed all these topics over there, and i'm not bashing, but all I really saw in those threads, was the "if you don't like it, leave" type remarks.

I agree that it can be a vengence thing too. I see some warnings that wouldn't have been given if it was written from a different person, for sure. No one would ever admit to it, but blind freddy sees it. You also seem to be able to insult someone with some clever wording, but say the same thing in a simple way, and you will cop it.

King of the hill got a warning for lying to Jim about a photo of a squirrel he posted Now that is just plain silly. He was frustrated by others giving it to him in a sly way, he lost it and went on a posting rampage. The other users gave it to him in a technical way, (including some mods) so without all the crap, he gave it back to them, and copped it. They got nothing for revving the big fella up. Most of us write silly things when in a bad mood, and it was way out of his character, but he copped it big time.

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P.S Easytiger, I don't know, but I reckon someone simply made sure you stayed on "holidays" To keep it consistent, the same person handed out points to the others in that thread. I gotta say, you do know how to get under peoples skin when you want!
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"I know the thread you speak of. It did get pretty nasty though..."
Oh, come on! Only to those Linmings who are too thick to see that it was pure trolling...I mean, it was WAY over the top...YOU understood it...

"Don't talk to me about gunthreads

I sarcastically mentioned that they warned a thread By Ron van summersomething (sory Ron?, forgot your last name!) and that they probably removed it to make way for more gun talk: Didn't that start something!! I sorted out the 'tiff' with the one I had "discussions" with, but I still stand by my opinion. Note, a "thought" or an "opinion" is NOT a demand

And the silly thing is, I'm not anti gun as such, it was the hypocrocy that I and others see that is funny. It is going to be pretty hard not to have a system that the whole world agrees on, as different countries have different levels of acceptability.

Actually, to be fair, does Jim actually allow discussions of shooting people?"


Absolutely. I read that thread about "why criminals hate gun owners" and I was shocked. All this "it was a good shoot" stuff, which is pretty repulsive to an awful lot of people.

"I know they love a good gun chat, but I would be (or maybe not) surprised if they let it get to shooting people?"

All the time. Talk about shooting people.
I own guns. But I'm not a gun nut. And there are plenty of flat-out gun nuts over there. Sorry, but "gun nut" IS the proper term. And they seem to get a free pass to say whatever they want. And to a lot of people, GUNS are certainly NOT "family friendly" in any way. I certainly do NOT want MY kid reading about "penetration to stop an intruder in one shot..."
It reminds me of the Peter Weir(an Australian, like you!) film "Witness", in which the Amish boy finds Lt. Book's revolver in a drawer, and is discovered playing with it by his Grandfather, who says, with simple truth:
"That is a gun of the hand, Samuel. Its purpose is only to take life."
And that's how a lot of people see it. Guns are NOT family friendly. Yet there is a double standard about it on RcGroups.

"I'm all for a "mature" site. Not porn links and filthy language, and crap like that, just "normal" talk. Kids old enough to use computers nowdays are generally mature enough to hear the odd mild swear word and the like."

Standards change. I mean, things like "BS" and "fugly" should not merit punishment. Other words, well, that's another story!

"Maybe it would be handy to have an age range next to their name. That way you could word your reply to suit the person. People could bluff age of course, but sometimes you see a post by some kid that sounds a little "silly", and the next thing a heap of older experienced guys heap on him for being so stupid, but may not have done so if they knew he was a young person. I know I react differently if I'm talking to a junior as oposed to a "grown up" Not in a condesending way of course, but you give them some slack......sometimes "

That's an idea....

"I think the main issue Jim has with "offensive" stuff is (apart from him being fairly conservative from what i gather)"

Positively. Conservatives get treated quite differently from "liberals". I put "liberals" in quotes, as it now means "anyone who does not agree" and it's something of a perjorative. How long until it is added to the list of bad words on RCgroups?

"that I think it affects his getting hits from search engines with filters, thus reducing new traffic, which in the end affects the bottom line. I can see the point in this if it is true, and I'm not saying there is an answer, but I think it plays a part in all of this. "

Could be...but what does that matter? After all, it's a "community", it's all about modellers helping modellers, I'm sure money and commerece NEVER factor into anything over there!



"Mike, I guess we still disagree. See the edited post by easytiger:

Note: I didn't write anything naughty here, I'm just pasting in the mods edit job on easytigers thread

That is how you do it. The offensive remark was removed, mods did their job. Filtered search engines are kept happy? (a guess?)
If it happens too often, send them a PM, if it keeps going, do something about it.
But treating people like naughty kids with the stupid points system is doing no good."

Especailly when nobody is actually watching the system, when there are no moderators, and when people just USE the points system to silence those they don't like...

"Oh, and on another topic, allowing users to have multiple accounts can never be a good thing....can it?"

Never really thought about it. Can't think of a reason WHY someone would do it, can't think of a reason why it should be a problem for anyone, either. If someone is banned and keeps registering under other names, well...they are going to do what they are going to do.

"I have discussed all these topics over there, and i'm not bashing, but all I really saw in those threads, was the "if you don't like it, leave" type remarks."

There have been a very consistent "it's Jim's site, he can do what he want, love it or lump it, don't like it...LEAVE!" attitude, like you say. Frankly, I would NEVER have posted over there in the first place several years ago if the site was then what it is now. No WAY. My content is my contribution, and I would NOT have contributed that to a site with the points system, or the faux family friendly facade that is there now. No WAY. So, Jim changed the rules, and people have a right to complain.

"I agree that it can be a vengence thing too. I see some warnings that wouldn't have been given if it was written from a different person, for sure. No one would ever admit to it, but blind freddy sees it. You also seem to be able to insult someone with some clever wording, but say the same thing in a simple way, and you will cop it.

King of the hill got a warning for lying to Jim about a photo of a squirrel he posted Now that is just plain silly. He was frustrated by others giving it to him in a sly way, he lost it and went on a posting rampage. The other users gave it to him in a technical way, (including some mods) so without all the crap, he gave it back to them, and copped it. They got nothing for revving the big fella up. Most of us write silly things when in a bad mood, and it was way out of his character, but he copped it big time."

It's STUPID. Here you have a guy, KOTH, who is a key contributor, and he gets zapped by who? People who contribute NOTHING.

"Cheers
Paul, who knows all too well, ANYONE can read this....I got nothing to hide.

P.S Easytiger, I don't know, but I reckon someone simply made sure you stayed on "holidays" "

Yup. I checked in, and I have all these new warnings. For stuff from four or more months ago. For a thread I already got a dozen warnings for. It's pathetic. I could really care less about the suspension, I have zero desire to participate under the current system/regime, but the fact that people have nothing better to do than filter through all my old posts is quite illustrative of where the RCG "head" is at. That happened before, too...the GWS drones spent all this time sorting through all my old posts looking for ammunition to use against me when I pointed out some things they did not like.

"To keep it consistent, the same person handed out points to the others in that thread. "

No, that was me! It was an experiment...I checked out the threads I was warned for, saw that there were some pretty vicious attacks AGAINST me, too, and reported THEM, just to see what would happen. Then I reported some posts that really did not matter at all...seems like ALL got automatic warnings, that NOBODY looked at them at all, that there is NO moderation, and that you can get anybody you want "warned" for anything at all. Interesting!

"I gotta say, you do know how to get under peoples skin when you want!"

Who, ME?
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All the time. Talk about shooting people
Wow, I didn't check that thread out anyway, but that is surprising/dissapointing.


Hey ET, can you get used to the Quote button? Simple aussies like me are having a hard time here! esp after a few glasses !!

It actually works well here. You don't get that box, it just throws the quote "code" in the text box and you can paste in between them.

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Wow, I didn't check that thread out anyway, but that is surprising/dissapointing.


Hey ET, can you get used to the Quote button? Simple aussies like me are having a hard time here! esp after a few glasses !!

It actually works well here. You don't get that box, it just throws the quote "code" in the text box and you can paste in between them.

Cheers
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Where IS the Quote button?

It made me sick to read all these would-be Rambos spewing:
"It was a good shoot..."
Which is sort of like
"Terminate with extreme prejudice..."
one of those phrases used by poseurs only...we are talking about a human LIFE. I'm not anti-gun, I own guns, but to hear all these dweebs talking about "home defense" and using phrases like "tactical training" and hearing them go on about how they prefer the Ruger over the Glock because it won't hang up on their clothing while executing quick draw maneuvers when being attacked by "ghetto goblins"....weelll...it's not just humorous, it's downright offensive.
And most certainly not "family friendly."
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Wow, I didn't check that thread out anyway, but that is surprising/dissapointing.


Hey ET, can you get used to the Quote button? Simple aussies like me are having a hard time here! esp after a few glasses !!

It actually works well here. You don't get that box, it just throws the quote "code" in the text box and you can paste in between them.

Cheers
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Where IS the Quote button?

It made me sick to read all these would-be Rambos spewing:
"It was a good shoot..."
Which is sort of like
"Terminate with extreme prejudice..."
one of those phrases used by poseurs only...we are talking about a human LIFE. I'm not anti-gun, I own guns, but to hear all these dweebs talking about "home defense" and using phrases like "tactical training" and hearing them go on about how they prefer the Ruger over the Glock because it won't hang up on their clothing while executing quick draw maneuvers when being attacked by "ghetto goblins"....weelll...it's not just humorous, it's downright offensive.
And most certainly not "family friendly."
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:21 AM
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I'm sure there will be a LOT of RC Groups converts in the near future.
HOWDY BOYS !.
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As for me, I am signing up for the Spencer J Fan Club.
Anybody who gets those guys so riled up, sanctimonous, and frothy is AOK by me!
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Oh Jesus. He's back. Put me in the "everyone else" category. Spencer, keep in mind there is NO reason to be the arrogant little trouble maker you were at RC Groups while you are here. You single handedly turned that forum into a festering cesspool of nothingness. And that was BEFORE the moderators tried their hand at screwing things up even more. Never have I seen any one person bring more unrest and irritation to a public forum. If you have even a shred of human decency you'll go back to RCGroups and leave us here in peace.


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See what I mean?
Spencer J cracks me up. I think Leyden Jars will supersede lemons as the power source of the future.
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"You single handedly turned that forum into a festering cesspool of nothingness."

He must be a VERY powerful individual to do that! Suggest you bow down to his powers, life will be easier.
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It's amazing how the same people go to a Radio Control modelers forum and the most fascinating thing they can find to discuss......is being a PIA. It doesn't matter which forum it is - all they want to do is troll.

How sad for you.
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HOWDY BOYS !.
Spencer,
You are more than welcome here. However and I am sure you have heard this before..... Make your posts productive and constructive to the forums and members. Share and learn. But the actions that recieved you a banning at Rcgroups will not be tolerated here either and should it begin, it will gain you the same status here at Wattflyer.

Remember, you get out what you put in. It doesnt have to be a repeat of RCG, however that is purely up to you.

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Default Calling Spencer, hello out there.....

Spencer:

Please read http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...0&postcount=64

Would like to see more of you on this site. Please try to keep somewhere within the limits. Not COMPLETELY, otherwise you would'nt be Spencer any more. But, I think you have something to offer, just can't do that if you get kicked off.

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Where IS the Quote button?
You found it
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But how do you quote a single line?
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But how do you quote a single line?
You mean like above, or do you want to take out a single line from a bunch of text? If it's the latter you'll have to quote the whole thing and cut out the parts you don't want. If you want to do multiple single line quotes then adding the bracketed "quote /quote" text yourself seems to be the easiest. It's a little time consuming, but not too bad.

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Below is an example of what I was takling about in the post above

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You mean like above, or do you want to take out a single line from a bunch of text?
Here is another.

If it's the latter you'll have to quote the whole thing and cut out the parts you don't want.
Below I cut and pasted the full quote syntax from the automatic quote button.

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If you want to do multiple single line quotes then adding the bracketed "quote /quote" text yourself seems to be the easiest.
and one more.

It's a little time consuming, but not too bad.
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But how do you quote a single line?
Just quote the whole post and then delete what you dont want between the [quote.] and the [/quote.].

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Mike beat me to it. :p
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Oh Jesus. He's back. Put me in the "everyone else" category. Spencer, keep in mind there is NO reason to be the arrogant little trouble maker you were at RC Groups while you are here. You single handedly turned that forum into a festering cesspool of nothingness. And that was BEFORE the moderators tried their hand at screwing things up even more. Never have I seen any one person bring more unrest and irritation to a public forum. If you have even a shred of human decency you'll go back to RCGroups and leave us here in peace.
Ohhhh no, Im hear for good, I LIKE it hear !. Its not my fawlt that Rcgroups is a "festering pool of nothingnes" and I dont think that it is. Im thinking of sarting a poll to see wat people realy think of Rcgroups.

Like this

Wat do you think of Rcgroups?
o- I liek it
o- I never lieked it
o- I hate it becase thay banned me
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EDIT: NM It's come to my attention that this spencer J is someone poseing as the Spencer from RCGroups. If that's true, then that's pretty wierd.
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EDIT: NM It's come to my attention that this spencer J is someone poseing as the Spencer from RCGroups. If that's true, then that's pretty wierd.
No, it's the real Spencer J. Just look at the bad spelling.
Now he'll be running rampant through every thread he can find just to run up his post count and cause as much trouble as possible.


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In his old posts he had perfect spelling and grammar, Then I mentioned it today in his "Rampage" thread on RCgroups, and all his old posts were mysteriously edited to have bad spelling and grammar. I am relatively positive it's just some wierdo who is making fun of Spencer, and making himself look stupid in the process.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440854
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