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Old 07-17-2008, 05:16 PM
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Looks really nice. I saw the full scale version at Reading's WWII weekend in June. I suppose if my P-47 ever becomes unrepairable, this would make a real nice replacement...
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:33 PM
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Thumbs up Sea Fury Maiden

Hi Greylids
Glad to hear you tamed the Sea Fury, what is the flying weight & where does it balance now?
How much weight did you have to add?
What caused the retracts to jam?
Have you found a fix for this problem?
Have you used full power ?
What props have you tried?


I was getting concerned as no one had posted a flight report up to now, thanks for the feedback.

It seems retracts are also prone to damage when landings are not perfect, maybe a good Idea is to use the gear for takeoff and land with them retracted.

Keep us informed.

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Old 07-18-2008, 10:23 AM
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Here's mine, maidened yesterday in wind and tubulence,just waiting for calm conditions now.

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Old 07-18-2008, 12:38 PM
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Very Nice!
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Old 07-18-2008, 01:36 PM
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Question Question about the prop...

What size 5 blade propeller did you use? And did it run well with your choice or will you make an adjustment with it?

Thanks,

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Old 07-18-2008, 03:09 PM
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Congrats on the maiden Matt. Great pictures!
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:08 PM
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Default great plane...

a buddy just bought me a sea fury as a way to forget "black sunday", the day i lost no less than 3 planes to assorted catastrophe.

this plane went together in less than 3 hours. i opted for simple aileron/elevator setup and made it a hand-launch/belly lander.

i used the motor/esc/prop out of my wrecked trojan t-28 and a 2200 mah batt.

with a gentle heave, the sea fury left my hand at 1/2 throttle and quickly climbed to 100 feet. two tics of down elevator trim was all it needed.

the sea fury is as rock-steady as they come, capable of either slow or extremely spirited flight. at stall speed, it simply drops its nose and slowly descends, gradual and progressive-like.

i dialed in big aileron throws and it allows multiple barrel rolls although they are slightly corkscrew in nature, i'm guessing from the wing's dihedral. in any case, the sea fury can be flown with brutal acrobatics or genuine scale-like manuevers...it doesn't care.
oh, and at full throttle, this thing screams...literally. something in the nose section makes an awesome whistling sound.

in any case, i found the sea fury to be a solid flyer with no nasty habits. it would be a great first low-wing warbird or an fine addition to the veteran's hanger.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:25 PM
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I really like the pictures and what you've done with your Sea Fury to enhance its scale appearance e.g. drop tanks, u/c doors, tailwheel and the sideways glance of the pilot. I honestly thought it was the real thing when I first saw the thumbnail images. Have you darkened the panel lines? Very nice. I am also interested in where I could acquire a similar 5 bladed prop and spinner. Do tell.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:00 PM
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Thanks giuys, the prop is a ply hub (3 lams 1/8th) cut to accept 5 Flying Styro blades from their 3 blade hub.

The panel lines are just graphite rubbed in with a finger (pencil lead)


Here's some pics from today,taken by my lovely wife,,we got some darned good 'uns today, my Mrs is getting better at shooting model aeroplanes!!

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Old 07-22-2008, 10:35 PM
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Cool 5 bladed prop

Looks great Matt!

For anyone interested in a 5 bladed prop for the Sea Fury, Manzano Laser Works sells a laser cut plywood hub that accepts FSK prop blades available from Hobby Lobby (single 9x7 prop blades about half way down page, $1 ea). It's very close to what Matt fabricated himself. The prop blades were backordered up until recently, so mine haven't arrived yet, but I do have the Manzano hub already.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:29 PM
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Thanks for the info Doug. I just might get me some.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:57 PM
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Heh, since people have been modifying this plane, all your suppliers have ran out of blades, same here in England, they were easy to get (relatively) but now suppliers here are reporting no stock.... Flying Styro must be wondering why the sudden interest,I bet this inflates the prices!

I am just gagging for a calm day. you can't really get to feel the full potential of these light warbirds until you fly in calm.-More strong winds on the local forecast Doh!

How are you getting along with yours Doug?
I was amazed I got 7 mins of flight with my powertrain and amp draw,esp. on those fab Chinese 2200 packs off eBay.


I just got a 'Mystery' 25c pack in the mail to try.

WARNING. When using the FSK blades in high temps, don't let them bend in the sun,they will stay bent.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Halton View Post
Heh, since people have been modifying this plane, all your suppliers have ran out of blades, same here in England, they were easy to get (relatively) but now suppliers here are reporting no stock.... Flying Styro must be wondering why the sudden interest,I bet this inflates the prices!

I am just gagging for a calm day. you can't really get to feel the full potential of these light warbirds until you fly in calm.-More strong winds on the local forecast Doh!

How are you getting along with yours Doug?
I was amazed I got 7 mins of flight with my powertrain and amp draw,esp. on those fab Chinese 2200 packs off eBay.


I just got a 'Mystery' 25c pack in the mail to try.

WARNING. When using the FSK blades in high temps, don't let them bend in the sun,they will stay bent.
Mine is on the shelf about 1/2 done. I was going to wait until the prop blades arrived to finish it, but now I am thinking about an alternative to the FSK blades. They seem too flexible to really bite into the air with a high power system. When I get back from Oshkosh, I will take it up again and I'll let you know what I've got in mind
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:30 PM
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Mine is on the shelf about 1/2 done. I was going to wait until the prop blades arrived to finish it, but now I am thinking about an alternative to the FSK blades. They seem too flexible to really bite into the air with a high power system. When I get back from Oshkosh, I will take it up again and I'll let you know what I've got in mind
Nah, don't worry Doug, mine is going awesome on the 5 blade FSK system, did you see my last video? Loads of grunt, the blades are absorbing my high wattage power supply no problem!
Just love the sound they make too, a proper howl
Go for the FSK blades on the Manzano hub,it's very good.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:31 AM
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Default Sea fury flight report

I have logged about 25 flights now on my Sea Fury.

I added about one ounce in the front cowl. This may make her too nose heavy for other people but I like it this way for now. After I get more experience I will take away some weight to get back to the stock CG and see what I think but my initial flights at the stock CG were almost gonners so we will see.

Probably the first thing people want to hear about are the retracts. You will really need to mess around with the end point settings on your servos to adjust each one to perfection. The manual says you can use a Y harness but in my experience each retract is just too fussy- you will need to fine tune each one.

I've had some pretty hard landings and all is just fine. I do find that I need to adjust the gear wire every now and then but overall the gear has worked perfectly. I did burn out a servo on my first fight but it was due to not adjusting the end points properly. The retract has a lock position for up and down so when it is engaged properly the motor is not struggling to hold the gear in place (as long as you adjust the end points properly.)

Props-- I am using an E-flite 480 brushless with the standard prop and TP 2100's for batteries. You have almost unlimited 90 degree climbs with this setup when the battery is fresh. I get about 12 minutes of fast flying and about 17 minutes if i just do lazy circles in the sky.

I have not tried a bigger prop but I would advise against it for two reasons. First, the plane will nose over on less than perfect takeoffs and landings. A larger diameter prop would compound this. You will want to maintain some up elevator on takeoff and landing to keep the tail down when you are moving fast on the ground. Also I think a bigger prop would kill your flight time and you would run the risk of over stressing the airframe. This plane is very sturdy compared to the Parkzone P-51 (which I quit flying after folding wing after wing) but run a larger prop and I suspect you could fly her apart if you are not careful on the throttle.

Another thing. I never fully secured the plastic that covers the retracts and electronic leads. Instead I applied some hinge tape to hold it in place. I figured it would secure things while I decided if I liked the set up enough to double side tape it in. Although I am fine with the current setup I am going to leave it like this in case I need to replace another servo or gain easy access to the retracts.

Basic flight is good and gentle. I think the rudder is a bit weak, I really only use it for ground handling, but overall not bad. Rolls are not clean and I had to feed some up elevator or I would get more of a corkscrew. My horizontal stab is a bit off. I figured, "Hey it fits in this nice slot so it must be level," when I glued it in. Wong! You may need to move it around a little to be sure it is level. Mine is not off by much but maybe enough to keep the rolls from being perfectly clean.

Although this plane glides OK don't try to do a low speed turn or you will tip stall. Even though it glides well enough you are really flying on the prop when you apply power. Get some speed and you can turn on a dime. WOT can get you out of most any pilot error unless you are about two feet off the ground and decide to WOT into the ground! I fly a 46 size Pulse and PTS Mustang and the Sea Fury feels weightless by comparison.

Also I've made lots of gear up landings in the grass with no problems breaking either the gear or prop. But I imagine if you install the fixed gear you must land on pavement or hard ground.

I also really like the battery hatch. The battery fits nicely in the nose, there is a small block you slide in behind it and the cockpit fits in to lock everything in place so the battery does not shift at all in flight. The only complaint is that the magnets are almost bionic in gripping power (there is no way this is popping off in flight) and I put a small piece of clear tape on the side to help lift it off the magnets when I change the battery.

Oveall I am really pleased with this plane. It fits in your trunk and is easy to fly in a decent sized park, sports complex or school yard. Do I wish it were a wood kit like the Mini-Ultra Stick or Mini-Pulse? Yes! But if it were a wood kit it would not have all the molded surface detail.

I don't think this is a beginner plane but someone could easily fly this as their second plane after learning to fly. I did program in a lot of expo in my mix which really makes flight smooth and gentle.
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Old 08-09-2008, 02:27 AM
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Greylids, thanks for the info, I have about 6 flights on mine now after repairing it after it's maiden flight! (I had the Aerilons reversed). Great flyer mine is set up with park 480 outrunner 10X8E Prop, fixed landing gear, rudder/steerable tail wheel. This was really my first plane after flying Helos for a bit. Helps with my Helo Orientation flying a plane! lol Having had to do some repair work with foam and a bit of spackle I was wondering if anyone has come accross a good paint match for the stock paint. I would like to touch everything up and can't seem to find the right colors. Thanks Gene
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Smile Sea Fury with retracts finally finished

Originally Posted by GREYLIDS View Post
Probably the first thing people want to hear about are the retracts. You will really need to mess around with the end point settings on your servos to adjust each one to perfection. The manual says you can use a Y harness but in my experience each retract is just too fussy- you will need to fine tune each one.
Finally finished the Eflite Sea Fury. I also found that the end point settings were not the easiest to set...my retract servos seem to hum/struggle when up but I think I found the correct combo of settings with the DX7. I used a servo for each retract and also used 2 servo slow modules to reduce the speed of the retracts. If you use servo slow modules, mine had to be set up on their own channel, first attached to the receiver, then the servo extension attached to the servo. I tried to use a Y Harness Servo Reverser on one channel with both modules attached, but it didn't work for me. With a servo for each retract, I ended up using the Spektrum 7 channel receiver.

The EFlite Park 480 with a Tru Turn spinner, 3 Blade Prop and the battery installed made its nose heavy...Had to use almost the entire wad of clay which came with the kit to balance the plane.

Only complaint - The wing cover which encloses the aileron/retract servo wiring had to be glued using UHU Creativ. The double stick tape the wing cover came with wouldn't stick but for maybe 60 secs and was pointless. Emailed EFlite about this issue and wouldn't you know it...they told me to glue it...lol. Using UHU Creativ did the trick.

Here are some short videos...

www.rcuvideos.com/video/Sea-Fury-with-Retracts
www.rcuvideos.com/video/Sea-Fury-3-Blade-Prop-Eflite

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Old 08-11-2008, 10:01 AM
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Yep. UHU'ing the wing panel is the best way. I have also cut out the area around the retract base so i can get to the screws and remove the retracts without pulling off the panel. I have had to re-tighten my set screws a few times.
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:24 PM
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Hi,
Just got mine last week and this thread has really helped me prepare for construction.
I have gone for the E-flite 480BL motor, with 40A esc.
Also have enough servos to do 1 per retract, seems the way forward.

Many thanks for all the tips and stuff.
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Old 08-21-2008, 12:38 AM
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WOW WOW WOW, BLA BLA BLA....

Just kidding!! Great plane easy to build, looks amazing on the ground, taxies great with the rudder modification!!! I don't know how well it flies because when I took off, within 2 feet it JUMPED in to the sky... blazing a trail to the stars, then it all went wrong, of course I had high rates on (I know.. rookie!!! Hey its my plane and pain!!) SMASH, at least it was in 3 parts.. a little glue and bamboo it was ready for flight number 2.. (CG was done because of the added weight) Flight number 2 went almost as well as flight number one, this time I took it easy on the throttle but it is SO DARN squirrely, AMAZINGLY FAST, FAST I tell you, boy it nosed over doing well over 55 and this time there isn't enough glue in all of the world to fix this!!! Never fear, I have another in the box that will be put together tonight and who knows maybe I won't kill this one so quick!!! If I had more than 15 seconds of flight time I would write a review how great it flies and how well the retracts work and what ever else... maybe tomorrow!!!
I've never met a plane I couldn't crash!!!

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Originally Posted by Cameldog View Post
WOW WOW WOW, BLA BLA BLA....

Just kidding!! Great plane easy to build, looks amazing on the ground, taxies great with the rudder modification!!! I don't know how well it flies because when I took off, within 2 feet it JUMPED in to the sky... blazing a trail to the stars, then it all went wrong, of course I had high rates on (I know.. rookie!!! Hey its my plane and pain!!) SMASH, at least it was in 3 parts.. a little glue and bamboo it was ready for flight number 2.. (CG was done because of the added weight) Flight number 2 went almost as well as flight number one, this time I took it easy on the throttle but it is SO DARN squirrely, AMAZINGLY FAST, FAST I tell you, boy it nosed over doing well over 55 and this time there isn't enough glue in all of the world to fix this!!! Never fear, I have another in the box that will be put together tonight and who knows maybe I won't kill this one so quick!!! If I had more than 15 seconds of flight time I would write a review how great it flies and how well the retracts work and what ever else... maybe tomorrow!!!
I've never met a plane I couldn't crash!!!

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Glad to hear you are enjoying your Sea Fury so much

I have one too. Not crashed. Not flown either. It's about 50% complete, waiting for a spell of bad weather so I can spend some time indoors working on it. It's raining today, so maybe soon.

Just ordered a 5 bladed Vario prop for it today, but I'm going to have to scratch-build a spinner if I want it anything close to scale.
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Which 3-bladed prop and spinner are you using Numb-lock? Thanks Gene
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info Tru Turn Spinner and Adapter with Master Airscrew 3 Bladed Prop

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Which 3-bladed prop and spinner are you using Numb-lock? Thanks Gene
Hi Gene,

Here is a snapshot of my Tower Hobbies Order below with part numbers...The Spinner is from Tru Turn with a Tru Turn E-Collet Adapter. The Spinner backplate is 2 1/4" which is the same diameter as the stock plastic one. The Tru Turn "Standard" Spinner which I have seems to be a bit longer from front to back. If this is a concern, then you can always go with a different category Spinner which is shorter (i.e. FAI, P-51, etc). The stock Eflite 2 blade prop for the Sea Fury is size 10 X 8. The 3 bladed prop is a 10 X 7 Master Airscrew and is already balanced. With a prop with more than 2 blades, Master Airscrew recommends to either decrease the diameter by 1" OR decrease the pitch by 1".

I had my maiden flight and my wife taped it so I hope to get it edited and posted soon

Hope this helps,

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www.towerhobbies.com/
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:01 AM
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Thanks for the info Bob the aluminum spinners are a bit pricey, I will order a couple of the Masterairscrew 10 X 7 props if nothing else I will use it on my P-47D! I have had a hard time getting the Dubro spinners to work maybe with a wider prop. Most of the Dubro I have tried I have to put too many spacers on top of the prop in order to fit properly on the prop. May still try the dubro 3 blade spinner with the MAS Prop might fit better. Thanks again Gene
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Mine is getting close! Last night I finished a scale spinner for the 5-bladed prop. I made it out of a mashed up Stryker nose cone It took some work (Z-Foam is hard to work with), but it looks really good! I should really post some pictures.
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