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Old 12-22-2015, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DEG View Post
I guess I could take that as a personal attack but I'll just let it go...no problem. You are entitled to your opinion and others on here are entitled to theirs, including this "guy".

However, since this nonsense is supposed to be all about safety, does it really make sense to allow one plane, without a radio, to freely fly wherever the wind wants it to and make the same plane come under regulations only if you install a radio in it?

Maybe you can justify that but this "guy" can't!

Have a good day....

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That's called a missile iirc.
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Old 12-22-2015, 05:45 AM
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Get real guys Free Flight wont fall under the "drone" rules.

Q12. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system.
On the other hand, a fully autonomous system will fall under the drone category because of the "system" even if the pilot is optional. Any fully automatic drone setup always has a base station and systems for communication back to that base station as well as systems for programming, course plotting etc etc. You also always have an RX onboard for back-up control.
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Old 12-22-2015, 06:08 AM
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I just saw that the FAA will be at the AMA Expo in Jan. Wish I could be there for that!

Wonder how civil the group will be.....?
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Old 12-22-2015, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry3215 View Post
Get real guys Free Flight wont fall under the "drone" rules.



On the other hand, a fully autonomous system will fall under the drone category because of the "system" even if the pilot is optional. Any fully automatic drone setup always has a base station and systems for communication back to that base station as well as systems for programming, course plotting etc etc. You also always have an RX onboard for back-up control.
It's pretty sloppily written. I could not find anything qualifying autonomous vehicles. They go into cellular, but couldn't find anything anything about running on pre-programed parameters. Then again, I find that entire sheet hard to read.
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Old 12-22-2015, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry3215 View Post
Get real guys Free Flight wont fall under the "drone" rules.



On the other hand, a fully autonomous system will fall under the drone category because of the "system" even if the pilot is optional. Any fully automatic drone setup always has a base station and systems for communication back to that base station as well as systems for programming, course plotting etc etc. You also always have an RX onboard for back-up control.
LOL!!

It looks like I spoke too soon. Actually, we are ALL speaking too soon.

Ive been following a number of different threads on different boards and several different people have contacted their local FAA offices to ask questions.

They have been told by different people in different parts of the country:

Free flight is/is NOT included in the regs

Gliders are/ARE NOT included in the regs

UN-powered models are/are NOT included

Tethered/Control line models are/are NOT included

Your private information will/will not be made available to public searches.

Flying on your private property?...same ok/not ok
Oh - and this doozy is a new one on me - it is illegal to fly any RC model unless you are a paid member of a national organization like the AMA

So, if you don't like the new rule, just keep calling different FAA pukes until you get the answers you want.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:12 PM
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Exactly. That was what I was getting at.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry3215 View Post
LOL!!

It looks like I spoke too soon. Actually, we are ALL speaking too soon.

Ive been following a number of different threads on different boards and several different people have contacted their local FAA offices to ask questions.

They have been told by different people in different parts of the country:

Free flight is/is NOT included in the regs

Gliders are/ARE NOT included in the regs

UN-powered models are/are NOT included

Tethered/Control line models are/are NOT included

Your private information will/will not be made available to public searches.

Flying on your private property?...same ok/not ok
Oh - and this doozy is a new one on me - it is illegal to fly any RC model unless you are a paid member of a national organization like the AMA

So, if you don't like the new rule, just keep calling different FAA pukes until you get the answers you want.
This reminds me of the days when UK changed from 16 to 17yrs old to ride a motor cycle. The 16'rs were only allowed Mopeds. (49cc maximum engine also equipped with pedals as means of propulsion).

I was caught by this law 17 days before my 16th b/day.

Anyway ... the Police were badly informed as were the various authorities / shops etc.

You could ask 100 so-called people who should know the correct answers and get 100 different replies. The most common was the 'Yes you can ride a Honda C50 scooter' - totally wrong and illegal. The C50 was 50cc and had NO PEDALS ...
The FS1E or as we nicknamed it ... the Fizzy was popular until someone got wise and after the introduction of the 100mph Gilera Sport 'moped' that speed should be cut back as well ... outlawing even the Fizzy ...
Again Police etc. were no wiser !

Wish you all luck !

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Old 12-22-2015, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWheel View Post
A "drone" by their own definition is an unmanned aerial vehicle that is remotely controlled from the ground. "Free flight' is not remotely controlled from the ground. once the 'pilot' releases the aircraft it 's entire flight is up to the whims of the air it's flying through, the owner has no further control over it whatsoever.

You guy are really starting to clutch for those straws, aren't you?
I'll stick with the comments made in this thread........:

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76544
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Old 12-23-2015, 06:40 PM
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"Interim Final Rule" Isn't that an oxymoron?

Interim; definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interim
Final; definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/final
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWheel View Post
"Interim Final Rule" Isn't that an oxymoron?

Interim; definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interim
Final; definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/final
It is but you have to consider the source, our govnmint. They appear next to oxymoron in the dictionary as an example.
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This whole thing is a placebo with a fee.
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Old 12-23-2015, 09:29 PM
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LOL wow. Sums it up pretty well.
Enjoy!
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