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Old 08-22-2010, 05:09 AM
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I just got the new park-flyer mag in the mail,, no mention of it,,,bubsteve
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:06 AM
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I pay 120€ a year here for the full coverage in the DMFV (Deutschermodellflugverein). I get to fly on any field where a farmer doesn't kick me off, I have 4 million€ secondary insurance, I can join any club here. I have been shooed off by farmers, only to whip out my card with the level 4 insurance, then told, oh, ok, no problem, viel Spass! I only fly electric. Nitro is frowned upon here for the most part, my club doesn't even allow it. Germans DO fly nitro, but they are a dying breed IMO. The Germans tend to be more enviornmentally friendly than the Americans (big generalization here), and I doubt ANY farmer would let a nitro guy fly over his corn. Hotliner with electro motor, no problem.

I applaud the AMA for trying to take steps to include the electro guys, but IMO, they are tricking people into paying for membership fees and insurance claims which will not be honored.

Not honored how? Every electric guy I know exceeds 60mph, flies a few hundred meters high, and enjoys going to big events. 99% of the guys with the electric coverage are going to be breaking the "rules". If there are claims, chances are good the AMA will not honor them. Thus, they will see lots of new membership fees, and not have to dole out money for claims. It is pretty savvy actually. It will also give club owners a big headache. Also, like Kosh said, they need joe parkflyer more than JPF needs them.


But, 58 Bucks/year for full membership is a steal. That is less than 5 bucks a month. Seriously, if you can't cough up five bucks a month, you shouldn't be in the hobby in the first place though. I don't understand why so many people are against joining it. I mean, why wouldn't you?

Just my take on it.
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:28 PM
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This is an e-mail I received when I asked if the Park Pilot Program was being scrapped.

"Park Pilot membership will go on at least through 2011. You can upgrade to a full membership by paying the difference in price. Cost to upgrade will be $38.05.
You can fly anywhere.
If you have any further questions please contact me."


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Old 09-19-2010, 09:30 PM
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Thanks for the update and Welcome To WattFlyer!!!!!!
I hope they reconsiter! bubsteve
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:05 PM
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Steve,

From what I understand, the membership numbers are growing in the PPP and if that keeps up, there would be no reason to cancel the program.

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Old 09-20-2010, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Murocflyer View Post
Steve,

From what I understand, the membership numbers are growing in the PPP and if that keeps up, there would be no reason to cancel the program.

Frank


ALL RIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-21-2010, 09:41 PM
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I certainly hope they don't scrap it, the high cost of full A.M.A. membership + the high cost of many flying club membership I'm certain puts off a lot of potential newcomers.

They have changed the "limits" of the PP membership since the start of this thread however, There is no height or wingspan limits anymore (thank the gods, it ruled out nearly all the glider/sailplanes).
Currently it stands at:
  • Maximum weight 2lbs/0.9KG.
  • Maximum capable speed 60 MPH/96KPH (I assume that's via the motor).
  • Quiet.

Last edited by FlyWheel; 09-23-2010 at 06:33 PM. Reason: Attended the max speed prereq.
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Old 09-22-2010, 02:07 AM
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thank's flywheel! I'll bust a GentleLady out of retirement!
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWheel View Post
I certainly hope they don't scrap it, the high cost of full A.M.A. membership + the high cost of many flying club membership I'm certain puts off a lot of potential newcomers.

They have changed the "limits" of the PP membership since the start of this thread however, There is no height or wingspan limits anymore (thank the gods, it ruled out nearly all the glider/sailplanes).


Currently it stands at:
  • Maximum weight 2lbs/0.9KG.
  • Maximum capable speed 60 MPH/96KPH (I assume that's via the motor).
  • Quiet.
The "outrageously" high club dues are what led me down the park flyer trail.

Thanks for the welcome.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by emptypockets7 View Post
The "outrageously" high club dues are what led me down the park flyer trail.

Thanks for the welcome.
I'm in the same boat. I went ahead and picked up the "full" AMA membership. Still, the 2 clubs "local" to me each have a $100 / year fee, plus "new member" fees. I'm looking at $125 / 1st year, $100 / year afterward. Over $200 to join both clubs.

The closest club is 15 minutes away, and the furthest is about 30 minutes. The local park I fly in is 3/4 mile away. In my case, I'm joining a club for the "social" aspect, not the need for flying area. My flights take place in the park above. I've got some glow planes that haven't flown in years, and I guess I'd need to go to a club field for those, but I'm not really missing them. The August Treasurer's report for one of the clubs gave a club balance of $14,000. I don't think the club is starving to death.

The last club I belonged to (years ago) had a fee of either $25 or $50. I can deal with that. $100 / year is too high for me, particularly for a "service" I don't particularly need. If both clubs charged $50 / membership, I'd probably join both.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:19 PM
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Are we still paying them not to fly at any real club or event ?

There is no difference on the damage to a person struck by nitro powered fan jet or a Electric fan jet. The speed / weight / pointed nose does the same damage on impact.

Does not sound like active flyers protecting active flyers. More like bottom line bussiness people running a for profit bussiness.
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:52 AM
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A 2 pound 60 mph plane cannot do the same damage as a seven pound 90 mph plane.
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:56 PM
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The comparison is supposed to be the same plane with only the engines changed.

Nitro has FULL coverage & can fly at all clubs & major events.

Old farts in AMA still hate electric. So they make up a dirtbag, conartist scheme to have LOTS of small people pay for the big expensive accidents of the old boys nitro, kerosene & gasoline models. Maximum weight was ALWAYS A JOKE. Simply get a Waiver for anything.
DUUUH. Where is the waiver for Parkflyer

My take on it.

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Old 10-15-2010, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cyclops2 View Post
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Old farts in AMA still hate electric.

Rich
Really? No one I have ever met hates nitro and I know a lot of "old farts."

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Old 10-15-2010, 11:08 PM
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I meet the same fart in the mirror every morning.



He is always holding a ELECTRIC razor.
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cyclops2 View Post
I meet the same fart in the mirror every morning.


He is always holding a ELECTRIC razor.
Nice one.

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Old 11-05-2010, 03:38 AM
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the Park flyer program was hardly supported. I waited months for them to complete the website and provided the promised materials to present to our parks commission but never saw either one. The last I heard was the AMA leadership was working on an "exit strategy" for PPP. IMHO, it was little more than a "bait and switch" to try and get park flyers to get into the aircraft that require a club field and full membership. The USAMA (sportfliers.com) has a better and cheaper insurance policy for parkfliers anyway.
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