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Old 05-29-2006, 04:31 AM
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ANY Info? I can't get enough of this design. THANKS Keith
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Old 05-29-2006, 04:54 AM
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What info do you want?

Has larger wing in back and smaller wing in front. Often the front wing is moveable and serves as the elevator.
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Old 05-29-2006, 05:08 AM
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Set up's, as I put in another thread by CTD these designs work. Burt Rutan has it right. Where is the small scale ?? I know there is one on the market, but it is not park flyer friendly. any ideas ?? or do I do this on my own ??? Keith
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Old 05-29-2006, 05:14 AM
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AEAJR, I wish I could show you, you are on the other coast this plane will dance. There is no stall it glides from 1ft. it will go straight up, you can play with this plane !!! K
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Old 05-29-2006, 09:11 PM
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Sig used to make a kit called the Tri-Star. It was a pusher Canard bird and could be built as glow, electric 05, or sloper.

These seem to be expensive nowadays as they have been out of production for a long time.

This was the official Sig catalog photo:

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Old 05-30-2006, 12:28 AM
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Twmaster, Thanks just what I'm looking for. Keith
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:34 AM
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Yanno.....

Looking at that photo I see a Zagi with a fuse and canards.....

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Old 05-30-2006, 12:38 AM
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Twmaster, I would to show you my plane, I just don't know how to take the video from e-mail to here. if you have e-mail I will forward it. I just got the vid on Sat. Keith
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:42 AM
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I forgot the word like, PLEASE put it where you think it should go . My bad. K
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Old 05-30-2006, 02:40 AM
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http://www.rcstore.com/RS/general/de...2023&catego=BO

Andy Lennon's book on designing RC models - has an entire chapter on canards. Probably the best stuff written on the genre, though not exactly snappy reading and probably beyond those who regard sending IMs as a hobby A correspondent of mine has built several designs using info and ideas from Andy's book, they seem to work fine (though the one using FIrebird style wings and a square ali tube fuselage is proving to be excessively fun in many ways...)

Hope that helps

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Old 05-30-2006, 05:58 AM
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Dereck, thanks I will look into this. After flying I just can't get enough. You must know how it is when you get HOOKED. Keith
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:06 AM
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Have you considered the Multiplex Sonic Liner?

http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/P.../SoicLiner.htm

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Old 05-30-2006, 04:11 PM
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New one that looks interesting..
http://www.gundersonaerodesign.com/products/s1e.htm
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Old 05-31-2006, 01:37 AM
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Tim that is the one that got me started on this quest. I put two 2408 21 BL motors two 15 amp esc. 2100 lipo. This plane flew so smooth, loops rolls invert. fast pass slow pass. It's big but a very nice plane to fly. Keith
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Old 05-31-2006, 01:45 AM
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cosmic1, I'm drawing a plane that looks very similar. Thanks for web site. Keith
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Old 05-31-2006, 02:13 AM
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Are there any Sonic liners for sale yet?

If you take a look at my website, you can find lots of plans for US and Soviet Canard Fighters, and a few sport planes too.
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Old 05-31-2006, 02:44 AM
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Tom B., thanks the plans are great. Keith
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Old 05-31-2006, 02:40 PM
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Sonic liners have been avaliable for a couple years. I'm afraid they may have been discontinued as they weren't a big seller. I receiently picked one up from a local hobby people at 50% the orig asking price. I think they just wanted it off of the shelf, it had been there for 2 years. I'm putting two warp-4, 5 turn motors with 25 amp CC ESCs, and 2200mah, 3cell, 20c LiPo turning 2 APC 6X4e props. I build slow so she'll probably be ready for maiden in a week or two. Maybe contact Multiplex and see if they're still avaliable.
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Old 06-01-2006, 03:20 AM
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RickAvery, make sure you up date I would like to know what you think and how it flys. Keith
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Old 06-01-2006, 06:24 AM
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Keith,
Will let you know how she does. I was actually able to get quite a bit done the last two nights. Maybe a maiden this weekend. This is a BIG foamy!! I was surprised at the size when I brought her home and plugged the major pieces together. 52" long and almost 50" span! Early weight checks are in the 2.5 - 2.7 lb range AUW. The motors were pulling 18 amps, 216 watts on a fresh LiPo, so that's about 86 watts/lb. at 2.5 lbs. Should have plenty of power. I wasn't looking for a rocket, just something different, big & fun to fly.
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Old 06-01-2006, 07:23 AM
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Rick,

I've seen a couple of these fly quite capably at shows using the supplied S400 motors, so I really don't think you'll have any problems with your brushless set-up

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Old 06-01-2006, 02:35 PM
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Thanks Tim for the encourging words. I haven't heard much on this model but the few bits have mostely been positive. I'm anxious to to get her in the air. Should look different if not down right neat.
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Old 06-02-2006, 12:56 AM
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YES IT IS VERY BIG, but flys great. Keith
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Old 06-04-2006, 02:40 PM
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I got a chance to maidened my Sonic Liner on Fri. Evening. I figured I'd better take her out and see if she flies before I paint her all up. She just felt big and heavy getting ready to launch but with full throttle and a good 10 to 20 deg throw, she flew straight away with no roll or pitch. I think I had to give her all of 2 or 3 clicks aileron trim and maybe 4 or 5 clicks down elevator trim and that was it! She cruised around at half throttle with out a problem. At WOT she would climb ~300' at a 45 deg angle. More aileron throw will be necessary to speed up the roll rate although the elevator will loop fast enough to get the wings flexing. The plane is sooooo big that it just doesn't do anything quickly or have twitchy tendencies. Landing was as easy as it gets. A very gentile glide and slows way down without a hint of wanting to drop a wing. If your landing on anything but soft fluffy grass, you'll be repairing diviots on the belly. She looked awesome in the air and was amazingly quiet for a twin direct drive inrunner set up. I think it would be a good platform for aerial photography. Very stable. She's in the paint booth now getting all dolled up. I think they may still sell these planes in the UK & or Europe but in poking around the web, haven't been able to find any here in the USA. Happy flying!!
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Old 06-04-2006, 03:20 PM
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Rick, it does look great in the air. I cut all the control hinges and redid them hinge tape. It flys fast with the BL's and I wanted more control. Good to here it went so well. The wings do flex I put tape at the joint seems to have stopped this for now. I think later I may fix them on. Right onw I just enjoy seeing it in the air. Keith
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