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Old 05-16-2010, 06:48 PM
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Default Fairchild PT-19 Cornell; DollarTree Foamboard & Dow PBIII

I posted some teasers of this plane I am scratch building on some other threads, but here is the build thread (finally). I built this from a combination of plans from the Pica PT-19 kit (thanks to Tom the Grasshopper), Sterling plans (thanks to Paul aka pd1), and RCG for the Gene Rogers plans. Here are tiles of the Sterling and Gene Rogers plans:
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Old 05-16-2010, 07:08 PM
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Default Getting started.

This was a "fits and starts" type of build as I had to reconcile the three plans against each other. I used the Pica plans as a guide for the internal foamboard "skeleton" as I felt it was the least scale but essentially correct in model alignment and it illustrated servo locations- for battery, motor, and ESC locations I took some hints from Tom the Grasshopper's Pica PT-19 balsa build thread (look here: http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29386). I used the Gene Rogers Plans for the fuselage and tail surfaces, while I used the Sterling plans for the wing size (big). I did something I have not seen anyone do before (I am sure someone has)- I took measurements from the Gene Rogers plans using 1/4" as my offset for the blue foam thickness, and used MS Powerpoint's drawing feature to make ovoid fuselage cross sections from the measurements. I have included this for those who might be tempted to try and build this model.
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:35 AM
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Cool Heat forming a plastic cowl

I had not really tried this before, but because my good friend Barry (baz49exe) encouraged me with his heat forming thread, I decided to have a try. Four plastic messes later I had a very nice heat-formed cowl. I started with two pieces of 2" x 4" pine blocks which I glued together, traced the top view and side view onto, and used my electric hand sander to shape it as a plug. Then I went to the unused sandbox in the back yard, wet the sand with a glass of water, scooped out a hole, pushed the pine plug in, covered it with sand around the outside up to the "back" side, gently pulled it out of the sand, and poured a 4 parts plaster of paris to 1 part water mix into it and let set for 2 hours. Voila! Rough plaster plug for heat forming.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:19 AM
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Default What does it look like with the electronics?

You have have seen the results of my heat-formed cowling. Now take a look at how I placed the firewall and motor mount as well as servos, ESC, and motor.
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Default WOW

Bob,
That looks absolutely fantastic. I have been wanting to try a similar build, 1/5-1/6 Ryan using the same technique, just divinicell instead of FFfoam.
Pretty clever and looks super light. Cant wait to see it finished off. Will be down in your area (Columbia) over the 4th for a few days. Will PM you with timing later and maybe get out to fort J to fly.
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Thanks Bob. This is great stuff- Dow Protection Board III and DollarTree Foamboard. Relatively cheap and easy to find. July 4th will be impossible at Fort Jackson as they will be setting up Hilton Field for the night's fireworks. Traffic will be a complete nightmare.

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Thanks for that heads up on the 4th. I will be down around the 1st or 2nd and will come back this way somewhere around the 6th. My 4th is annual family reunion anyway...whole day is pretty much spoken for. Might have to come up with a quick seaplane as the picnic is at Lake Murray where we all grew up...what ever that "grow up" thing means

Do like your build...
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Default More pictures.

I don't have a theme here other than "look what I did"; blue foam wrapped and glued around formers on fuselage, tail dry fit for perspective, 20 Amp ESC and 1000 mAh LiPo battery added. Balance is nose heavy at this point, but more hardware will be going aft. This is my first real effort at torque rod ailerons and they work pretty nicely. I would say in retrospect I should have made the uprights shorter so I would have had more deflection for the ailerons, but it will keep me from overcorrecting.

P.S. I don't know why the pictures are offset, but maybe someone can suggest how to edit this post.
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Default Depron skin, landing gear mounts, and dinging.

I decided that the profile around the front of the fuselage was slightly unsatisfactory, so I added some 3 mm depron "skin" to smooth out the transition from cowl to fuselage. Hmm, so-so, but I am not done with it yet. I made some rectangular landing gear mounts from four pieces of 1/8" ply Gorilla glued together and then Gorilla glued into the wingspar and top skin of the wings. I have inflicted some wounds on the left wingtip (dropped it while carrying from table) and numerous small dings too numerous to illustrate. Left wingtip edge is now Gorilla glued in place and spackled followed by sanding. Needs another spackle job to really fine tune it. But not a major undertaking.
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Old 05-23-2010, 12:31 AM
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Default Last of the current pictures.

Here is pretty much where this model stands at this point. It needs a lot of work to be more scale and finished in appearance. I have dry fit a 1/16" ply triangular tail wheel mounting plate and also the tail wheel without its servo horn and retaining ring (it's going to turn with the rudder). I will upload that picture when I get a chance (fingers crossed).
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This is a great build thread Bob, you put my efforts to shame old friend.
Having seen the plans posted especially the fuselage sections I am thinking that in the future ( after all the others which are stacking up ) I might have a go at this lovely little plane. I really also ought to try building with sheet depron having seen the great job which you are doing with it. I can't wait to see this little beauty fly.
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This is a great build thread Bob, you put my efforts to shame old friend.
Having seen the plans posted especially the fuselage sections I am thinking that in the future ( after all the others which are stacking up ) I might have a go at this lovely little plane. I really also ought to try building with sheet depron having seen the great job which you are doing with it. I can't wait to see this little beauty fly.
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Thank you Barry. The plans are excellent- that is what made this difficult- deciding which to use, so I used aspects of ALL. Depron is an outstanding RC model building material so you will not be disappointed. It seems to be more popular in Europe than in the US (except for take-away plates and the like). I have seen some nice rolled depron called selotech (I think that's what it's called).
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A friend on our flying field has told me where I can get depron sheet. No excuses now.
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Great build so far. It puts my previous attempts and thoughts to shame.

I love the PT-19. It was the first CL plane I could actually fly.

I just have to know, the cowl forming. Is there a thread/build/advice/whatever etc on how to? That always something that just frustrates me to no end.
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Bob,
Lookin good...Will it be ready by the end of June?? Would like to see that thing fly while I'm down in "center city"
Great progress.
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Great build so far. It puts my previous attempts and thoughts to shame.

I love the PT-19. It was the first CL plane I could actually fly.

I just have to know, the cowl forming. Is there a thread/build/advice/whatever etc on how to? That always something that just frustrates me to no end.
Tom, I am going to give you a teaser and two threads. One is a sticky (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...658#post722658) which my post (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...8&postcount=13) is in and the other is a thread (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36104) by Barry (baz49exe) which has an excellent home-made jig you can make for cowls and canopies. Barry and I use heat guns and luck/skill (in that order) to make canopies and cowls. It works. Okay, here is the holy grail of heat forming: Demon-Leather's posts on RCG (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=246240&page=2). Anyone who wants to do basic, easy-to-do-at-home heat forming should view this thread/posts.

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Bob,
Lookin good...Will it be ready by the end of June?? Would like to see that thing fly while I'm down in "center city"
Great progress.
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Bob, I could fly it right now (I would need tape to keep the cockpit on!). Tail wheel is waiting for me to permanently mount it. I think the end of June is a very realistic goal. Now as for flying- I think I can give a semblance of that. LOL.

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Smile No pictures today, but I will edit and post tonight

I added some depron panels to the front fuselage from the firewall back to the leading edge of the wing fairings. I think it looks really scale! I don't have the pictures yet (see this title), but I will upload them tonight. I have to give a plug to Erik (TV Casualty) here. I started a thread on his web site about this build and he did some SketchUp preliminary plans that look absolutely fantastic. Check out his web site @: http://foamcasualty.com/. You won't regret it
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Looking forward to the pics Bob.
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Looking forward to the pics Bob.
Barry, so am I! LOL. Now if I just take them and post them.
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I have some new pictures of the build progress. You can't really tell, but the wings are covered on top with silk. The spackle is very smooth despite the splotchy look on the wing tops. I can't wait to paint the wings that bright yellow.
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Whoa!!.........................That is so cool.

I so want to build one of these.........Ever since my Cox .049 PT-19.

I need to finish my other projects first. Great job with your build. I am very impressed.
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Whoa!!.........................That is so cool.

I so want to build one of these.........Ever since my Cox .049 PT-19.

I need to finish my other projects first. Great job with your build. I am very impressed.
Thanks Tom. I have not flown a PT-19 since I crashed my Cox .049 CL PT-19 on my 11th birthday. Totaled. The PT-19 just looks right, if you know what I mean.

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These are some pictures of the rear underside showing how I used plywood for bracing and mount of the tail wheel (yes, it will be steerable). I need a smaller clamp for the inside of the wheel wire to hold it inside the fuselage. Looks like a visit to the LHS will occur. The other pics are pretty much overviews of the tail construction. I copied the ply elevator link from the Pica plans as it serves as a mount point for the elevator horn and aligning the elevator halves.
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Default Thanks to Captain Chaos; New pictures.

I met my first WattFlyer member this past week and what a pleasant fellow- Captain Chaos (aka "Tuther Bob"). Well Bob was the first Watthead to actually see this little gem. I hope you had a safe trip to Maryland.
Now the pictures are from yesterday, so nothing revolutionary here, but spackling is proceeding as only spackling can- slowly. My thread (and building) definitely need the bump.

Bob
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