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Old 06-30-2010, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scalercflyer View Post
The Tiger Moth was a WWII primary trainer, not a WWI airplane. But it's very nice! I am partial to the Tiger Moth. They fly great! marty
Sorry, my mistake. I'm not really up on aircraft from that era..
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:13 AM
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no need to apologize... BTW, philipa, welcome to the WWI forum! Marty
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:35 AM
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Painted Tigermoths were in quite few WWI movies though.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:05 AM
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Just tell a tale about how it was developed for WW1 but the English high command did not know enough about airplanes at the time and did not accept it as a good plane. It set in a hanger till needed as a trainer for WWII. (you can sell this crowd anything as long as it fits WWI)
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:06 AM
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You could paint it red with black crosses and make Marty very happy. LOL
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:17 AM
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Hahaha, all great ideas.

Now if I could somehow explain away the rash on the cowl... happened the first time I landed her too.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:12 AM
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You could paint it red with black crosses and make Marty very happy. LOL
Someday I'll fill your tail full of lead de...............
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scalercflyer View Post
De, 79cj, I posted this before but since there is a renewed interest in the DVIII, here goes.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/bi...dviii_nx94100/
Some great pictures there! Where is this plane at? Thanks.
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Old 06-30-2010, 05:46 PM
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Love the DVIII De! That cowl is really amazing. Love that plane.
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Old 06-30-2010, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scalercflyer View Post
De, 79cj, I posted this before but since there is a renewed interest in the DVIII, here goes.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/bi...dviii_nx94100/
Wow, somehow I missed this link. It's amazing.

Love this one too...
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/do...ot/ms_type_a1/

SO much good info there.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:05 PM
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It question and answer time. A while back I watched an old movie about WW1 flyers(maybe Dawn Patrol). In it the pilots had a long scarf attached to the top of their flying caps. Did the real WW1 pilots do this or is it just Hollywood? I finally found a materal I like to use to make scarfs and pennets. My wife made me throw away an old blue streachy T shirt that was worn thin. I first cut strips with the length of what I would call the grain but when streached it would curl and make a string. I cut across the grain and it will remain flat. I tied it and it still remained flat almost to the knot. Everything I had tried before had looked stiff and stood straight out. This is so soft it will hang down no mater how you turn the plane and blows back when flying.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:23 PM
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The purpose of a silk scarf was simply to prevent chafing the neck on the cloth or leather jacket/coat/suit collar.
While streamers were attatched to the wing struts to identify a group leader I have never read of a streamer/scarf attatched to a flight cap. Seems it would just yank the head backwards at 100+ MPH, if not yank the cap right off. However, as flamboyant as WWI pilots were, I would not be surprised at anything worn, painted or done by those knights of the sky.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:31 PM
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This question raises a contention I have seen in almost every historical group I have ever been involved with. There seems to be two camps, in the parlance of one of the groups, "Fun Mavens" and "Authenticity Nazis". The greatest difference is the "fun" camp allows for "it is possible" while the "Authenticators" say nothing is allowed without documentation that it was done.
As a hobby I go with fun. As a historian I want primary documents. At the field I have fun, in the classroom I do science. The two are both valid viewpoints. Just don't confuse one for the other.
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Old 07-01-2010, 01:58 AM
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The movie was made when they still had Camels to fly. Some of the scenes are of the planes in the air and the pilots have the scarf on top the flight cap fluttering behind them. I think Errol Flyn was in the movie. I think all the airplanes in the movie were WW1 planes. You can look at my planes and know how I build them. I have the only WW1 Night Fury. LOL
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Old 07-01-2010, 11:05 PM
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Does anyone know how long the squardon leader pennats that were attached to the outer aft wing struts were?
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by degreen60 View Post
Does anyone know how long the squardon leader pennats that were attached to the outer aft wing struts were?
Not sure De. I need to dig into the archives. Might be a challenge to find. Marty
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Old 07-02-2010, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by degreen60 View Post
The movie was made when they still had Camels to fly. Some of the scenes are of the planes in the air and the pilots have the scarf on top the flight cap fluttering behind them. I think Errol Flyn was in the movie. I think all the airplanes in the movie were WW1 planes. You can look at my planes and know how I build them. I have the only WW1 Night Fury. LOL
Great movie, had the VHS growing up, would like to get it on DVD, not enough to pay $20 I guess. I think the movie made extensive use of the Thomas-Morse Scout for fighters.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:18 AM
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There were two versions of Dawn Patrol. 1930 and 1938(Flynn). Hell's Angels 1930 from Howard Hughes. All used a mix of WWI and faked WWI aircraft. Some WWI aircraft were used as other WWI aircraft (IE: Morse Scouts as Camels). It seems within a decade of the end of the war, most military equipment had all but vanished.
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:42 AM
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I don't remember which movie I saw. I know some of the flyers had a scarf attached to the top of the flying cap. I don't think I have see an old photo of a pilot with that. I am guessing it is just Hollywood.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by degreen60 View Post
I don't remember which movie I saw. I know some of the flyers had a scarf attached to the top of the flying cap. I don't think I have see an old photo of a pilot with that. I am guessing it is just Hollywood.
I'm betting you saw the 1938 Errol Flynn version. That is the famous one. Apparently the 1930 is ok, more serious, but the acting is stilted like a lot of other early "talkies." I'd like to see it, but I've been unable to find it. From what I understand though, all the dogfight scenes from the 1st are used in the 2nd, so they didn't really film much new flying. I guess that'll cut down on costs.

BTW, Basil Rathbone, who played the commander who Errol Flynn was constantly at odds with - great in the old Sherlock Holmes movies. Quite a contrast from the current Robert Downey Jr bit.
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Old 07-11-2010, 05:57 AM
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Hollywood tends to do whatever they think is needed to make a story more "marketable"! Steve
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Old 07-11-2010, 06:04 AM
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You can always plane a neat game called WUZAT.
Try and identify the planes in the movies.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:46 PM
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Very sad to report, but my beloved SE5a (over there <------) is out of commission for a while.

I broke rule number one, and had the sun in my face when flying, and the plane was about 100 yard away. Got disorientated, and down it went. I'm VERY fortunate and thankful that it went down level, and not cartwheeling. Also, it was in 1 foot tall grass.

Motor mount is shattered, and the real spruce landing gear rear legs were shattered and shoved into the lower wing. Cowl/radiator is a bit banged up on the lower edge. All in all, it's really not super bad. Light planes don't have a lot of mass to crush themselves with!

I don't have pics of it yet, and I didn't take a pic of it in the field. But since this is the WWI thread, I'll probably put it out in my yard and take a "historical" pic of it banged up and nosed in.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:29 PM
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Very sad to report, but my beloved SE5a (over there <------) is out of commission for a while.

I broke rule number one, and had the sun in my face when flying, and the plane was about 100 yard away. Got disorientated, and down it went. I'm VERY fortunate and thankful that it went down level, and not cartwheeling. Also, it was in 1 foot tall grass.

Motor mount is shattered, and the real spruce landing gear rear legs were shattered and shoved into the lower wing. Cowl/radiator is a bit banged up on the lower edge. All in all, it's really not super bad. Light planes don't have a lot of mass to crush themselves with!

I don't have pics of it yet, and I didn't take a pic of it in the field. But since this is the WWI thread, I'll probably put it out in my yard and take a "historical" pic of it banged up and nosed in.
That's rough! That was a beautiful redesign of the SE5a, hopefully you'll have it back up in the air soon. Lots of SE5a going down around here, looks like the Fokkers and Albatros's have been busy...
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:36 PM
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Anyone have an unbuilt kit they can take/make patterns from? Might be a good idea for replacement parts. Maybe they could be posted here. marty
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