Murocflyer

Can you copy to a Word .doc then print?

Frank

Slowdoc

ED: Your sit makes it easy to do quick refresher info Thanks.
Thought you would like to know your links to Maxxproducts don't work.
Ernie

AEAJR

If you click on the post number, that individual post will be displayed. You can print them out one at a time.

Or you can copy and paste them into a word processor.

Ed

AEAJR

Which article? Which post?

cbatters

Well done as always!

Larry3215

Outstanding job Ed!

Thanks!

Larry

mred

I fantastic job so far. I would love to see more on gearing a motor, especially an outrunner. I have seen a couple of them, but don't know where to get them or how to set them up. I am interested in powered sailplanes with geared system and most of the motors are inrunners, but there are not that many to be found. I know it can be done, just don't have any location for getting one, or how to set them up. Any help would be great. Thanks for all the information. I haven't read all the links yet, so maybe there is some information there. Anyway, thanks for the great article.
Ed

AEAJR

Mred,

Thanks for the ideas. I don't think I am going to do a lot of How to Do articles in this e-book. This is about understanding the technology and the process.

Perhaps someone else will build an e-book of How To articles.

Articles on receivers is next.

AEAJR

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT RECEIVERS
by Ed Anderson
aeajr on the forums
Revised June 2015

Preface

Today, most radio systems are based on 2.4 GHz. Much of this article
is still valid but make note of where I am talking about 2.4 GHz systems vs.
27 or 72 MHz systems. Frequency control is very important in the 27 MHz and
72 MHz worlds but is virtually unknown when using 2.4 GHz systems. So read
in the context of what frequency system is being used.

======================================

You control the plane by moving controls on the radio, but it is the
receiver that "hears" the radio and directs those commands to the proper
servos to move them according to your wishes. So, what do you need to know
about receivers when preparing and flying your plane?

By convention all radio systems use a transmitter and a receiver. However in common
use, in the RC airplane hobby we typically refer to the thansmitter as the radio. While this
is technially incorrect, everyone knows what we mean, so I will speak of the radio and the
receiver. For those of you who are radio systems wizards, I hope you will forgive me
for this convenience.


FREQUENCY AND CHANNEL

Receivers are specific to a given frequency. For example, in North America,
NA, our planes can be flown on 27 MHz, 72 MHz, and now 2.4 GHz. Your
receiver has to match the frequency of your radio in order to be able to hear it.

In North America 2.4 GHz radios are not the most common but 72 MHz is
also considered a valid frequency for flying RC aircraft. 72 MHz is
split into 50 sub frequencies, or channels so that we
can have more than one person flying a plane at any given time.

In NA, 27 MHz is typically only seen in low end RTF planes and is shared
with low end cars and boats. 27 MHz is limited to 6 channels. Also note that
27 MHz is the frequency band used by Citizen Band radios. If you tend to fly
near a highway you may encounter interference from CB radios. While CB
radios are not as common today as they were years ago they are still out there.

For all practical purposes, 2.4 GHz is now the standard for RC systems. The
main attraction to 2.4 GHz is there is no need for frequency control, which we will
discuss later. Also, this system operates well above the frequency level of most of
the "noise" that is generated by other components in the airplane so the 2.4 GHz
systems are less likely to pick this up as interference. However because of the
very short wavelength they are more prone to having the signal blocked. More on
this later.

With non 2.4 GHz systems your receiver needs a crystal that matches the
channel of your radio. In RTF packages, this is already done, so you don't
need to worry about it. However if you are buying your own receivers, you
must match them to the frequency and channel of your radio when you buy
them. Your supplier can help you with the details. One suggestion is that
you not mix crystal brands. They may work but this introduces a risk that
you are better off avoiding. If you get a Hitec receiver, get a Hitec
crystal.


AM and FM and FM SHIFT (72 MHz)

Just like your car radio, RC radios can use AM or FM to transmit their
instructions to the plane. AM is an older technology but it is still in
use, primarily in low end 2 and 3 channel radios. However most new radios
are FM. Both work!

In North America, 72 MHz systems are grouped by those using positive shift and
those that use negative shift. Typically we speak of JR and Airtronics as
positive shift. Hitec and Futaba are negative shift. In some cases these
brands can be made to change shift through a function called shift select or
reverse shift that can be set at the radio.

Shift refers to how the radio codes instructions for the receiver. One is
not better than the other, they are just different. This is only important
when you are buying a new receiver as you need to be sure that your FM
receiver and your FM radio are using the same shift.

Crystals are not specific to shift, but they may be specific to AM vs. FM.
Be sure you get the right type of crystal for your receiver.


FM/PPM and FM/PCM (72 MHz)

PPM and PCM further define how the radio codes commands to the receiver. We
normally speak of PPM and PCM in the context of FM radio/receiver
combinations. If you are buying an AM receiver/radio, or a 2.4 GHz system you don't
need to take this into consideration.

FM receivers can be either PPM or PCM. When people say FM, they typically
mean FM/PPM. If they say PCM, they mean FM/PCM.

As long as the shift is right, you can mix brands of FM/PPM radios and
FM/PPM receivers. On the other hand, FM/PCM receivers are highly brand
specific. If you have a Futaba radio capable of PCM transmission and you
wish to use a PCM receiver, you must have a Futaba PCM receiver that is
compatible with that model radio. No mixing brands in PCM.

As far as I know, all FM radios can transmit in FM/PPM. Some can transmit
in FM/PCM also. I don't know of any that are FM/PCM only, but there may be
one out there. If PCM is listed, it is normally an extra feature, not a
requirement you use PCM.

Some will say that PCM is better and more reliable. I can neither confirm
or dispute this point as I have not done testing. I use both and have found both reliable.
I will point you to a couple of articles that discusses PCM, how it works and their opinion
of the advantages.

Futaba FAQ on Advantages of FM/PCM over FM/PPM
http://www.futabarc.com/faq/product-faq.html#q102

Article on PCM vs. PPM
http://www.aerodesign.de/peter/2000/PCM/PCM_PPM_eng.html#Anker143602

PCM receivers tend to be more expensive, larger and heavier. From what I
gather FM/PPM is what the overwhelming majority of flyers use. FM/PCM seems
to be most popular in the high performance world, giant scale and
competition planes. Choose whichever you like as either will fly your
plane.


RANGE

For practical purposes, range is determined by the receiver, not the radio.
It is a function of sensitivity of the receiver and its ability to pick out
the radio signal and filter out noise. Many brands state the rated range of
their receivers and some do not. I suggest you stick with brands that state
their rated range or at lest advise of their intented purpose. Otherwise you
could end up flying beyond the range of your receiver.

How much range is enough? That depends on the application. You can
NEVER have too much range, but you can have too little. If the plane
gets out of range it will crash or fly away. More range is always better.

Here are my suggestions for minimums:

Indoors

Indoor planes are usually very weight sensitive, every gram counts.
To get extremely light weigh, sometimes range has to be sacrificed but that
is OK indoors as long as you know what it is. I suggest 200' minimum and
more is better but you may be fine with less. Many indoor flying spaces are
less than 100 feet along any span and you are not going to accidentally fly
past the walls.


Outdoor

Micro planes, micro helis and small electric planes under 36" wing spans can
often get by with ultra light receivers with ranges of as little as 500
feet. This is adequate if you have a small model or fly in a small field of
under 500 feet in span. Many of these small models can be hard to see at
ranges of more than 300 feet, approximately the length of a football field.
I prefer more range, but many people do fine with 500 foot receivers.

Today there are plenty of micro receivers, sometimes called parkflyer
receivers, with 1000' rated range that are under 1/3 ounce, about 9 grams.
I have a large field that is 1600 feet long so it is easy for me to get a plane
out beyond 500 feet without realizing it. While it can become hard to see them
at that range, I don't want to lose it because I ran out of receiver range.

For 2M and larger gliders and anything with wing spans over 5 feet I recommend
a full range receiver which will typically have a range of 1 KM more and
may be good beyond a mile.

If your receiver is rated for "line of sight" that means that as long as you
can see the model, you should be able to control it. These receivers will
be your longest range receivers. They often carry the "full range" designation.


SIGNAL PROCESSING - Single and Dual Conversion, DSP and more (72 MHz)

In addition to range, 72 MHz FM receivers will usually specify if they are single
conversion, dual conversion, or that they use some other method of signal
processing. I will leave it to the engineers to go into depth here.
However, as a general rule, dual conversion is better than single but there
are excellent single conversion receivers that have digital signal
processing and other ways of making sure they pick up the right signal.

I have no hesitation to use single conversion receivers with 2600 foot, (
1KM or .6 mile) rated ranges in my models that will be flown less than 1500
feet out. Most of my electric planes can't be easily flown further than
that and since I am operating at less than 70% the raged range I feel comfortable
that good quality single conversion receivers should be fine. This includes
my 2M sailplanes.

For my larger sailplanes I use only dual conversion receivers. Here I am flying
planes, that may be over 1/2 mile out and 1000 feet or more in altitude. I need
every bit of signal processing I can get to insure I get clean control. I can't afford
even a single glitch. If my plane is on 72 MHz I want a dual conversion system.

You make decisions based on your type of flying. This is what I do.

Some receiver brands offer single conversion, dual conversion and perhaps
other types of receivers. Be sure you get the right kind of crystal based
on the receiver. For example, Hitec dual conversion receivers and single
conversion receivers take different types of crystals. I don't know what
makes them different but you can not interchange them. They won't work.


CHANNELS (all frequencies)

We spoke of channels above in terms of frequency. We also use the word
channels to describe how many servos/devices you can control. So a 4
channel radio can control up to 4 devices. It is OK to have
more channels in the receiver than your radio has as some slots are used for
things other than channel control. For example, if we have a 4 channel
radio and are flying a 4 channel plane your slots might be used like this:

1 per control channel = 4
1 receiver battery
1 for plane locator or battery monitor

In this case you might want a 6 channel receiver to give you 6 slots. Or you
can use one or more Y cables to share slots. However I prefer to have a
receiver with extra slots rather than use Y cables. I feel it will give me
greater reliability. Rather than putting money into Y cables I would rather
put the money into the receiver.

If you have a 3 channel electric plane, you need a minimum of a 3
channel receiver. You don't typically need a separate slot for a receiver
battery as your electronic speed control normally provides the receiver with
battery power from your motor battery. You can use a 3, 4, 5, X channel
receiver, but it must have at least 3 channels.

You can also use a 2 or 3 channel receiver with a 4 or more channel radio,
but you will only have 2 or 3 channels of control available. An example
might be to use a 3 channel receiver for your R/E/T plane but use a 4
channel radio to fly it. That works!


COMPUTER RADIO AND CHANNEL MIXES
True for all radios regardless of frequency

If you are splitting functions using mixes in a computer radio your
receiver may need more channels. For example, if you have a computer
radio, you might be able to use two servos for your ailerons and have each
work from its own channel. Each aileron will be controlled its own channel.
Some radios can put the second aileron on any channel and some require they
be on specific channels. Consult your manual for guidance here.

Here is an example where we use more than one slot for a function because we
have individual servos on each surface. This is the layout of one of my
gliders and is controlled from my Futaba 9C computer radio. I use an 8
channel receiver and 7 servos.

Ailerons - channels 1 & 7
Flaps - channels 5 & 6
Elevator - channel 2
Rudder - channel 4
Tow hook release Channel 8
Battery - uses channel 3 slot
Plane Locator - Shares channel 8 slot with the tow hood release servo
via a Y cable


POWER TO THE RECEIVER

Note that most receivers operate at 4.8 to 6 Volts though some can operate
at higher voltages. In glow, gas and gliders, this is usually supplied by a 4-5 cell NiCD
or NiMh receiver pack but can come from lithium packs with voltage regulators. In
planes using glow or gas power, or in gliders, this is a battery pack that plugs into the
receiver or into a switch that goes into the receiver. There are some new
receivers that can work on a two cell lithium pack of 7.4V. There are some tiny
receivers, made for indoor flight and micro planes that can
operate on one lipo cell at 3.7 V. Always read your
manual, but in general, never directly plug a battery pack of more than 6 volts
into your receiver unless you are sure it uses a different voltage or you will
release the "magic smoke" and the receiver will not work.

Note that your receiver might be able to operate on 7.4V, 2 cell Lipo, but your servos
may fry at that voltage so be careful about what receiver pack you use.
RTFM, read the friendly manual.

If this plane has an electric motor, the receiver will most likely get its
power from the ESC, electronic speed control. Note that even though your
flight battery might be 11.1V or higher, the ESC has a circuit that steps
this down to 5 volts to power the receiver. This circuit, called the BEC,
battery eliminator circuit, eliminates the need for a separate receiver battery.

If you look at the manual for your ESC, it probably indicates that, if you
use more than a certain voltage for your motor pack, you will need to go to
a separate receiver battery. This is because the BEC can only step the
voltage down so far. Or it may say the BEC can handle up to 4 servos on the
receiver up to a 9.6V motor battery, for example, but you are restricted to
3 servos if you go above that. After that it has to be bypassed, you need
a separate receiver pack.

There is an article on the BEC in this e-book. Be sure to read it.


Summary

The receiver is the most critical of all the electronics you will put in
your plane. The most expensive radio with the wildest features is just a
paperweight without a good receiver to carry out its instructions. While
the terms can be confusing at first, you should now be prepared to choose
a receiver with confidence. Remember to always consult your radio manual
for any specific needs of your radio system.

A key point is that it is the receiver and not the radio that really
dictates the range you can expect. I encourage you to be very aware of the
range rating of your receivers so you don't lose a plane by exceeding your
safe range.

Your receiver has to have enough channels to accept commands from your radio
and to accommodate the number of servos/devices you have in the plane.
However the number of channels in the receiver does not have to match the
number in your radio.

2.4 GHz systems and do away with many of the issues and points of consideration
for 27 and 72 MHz.

Receivers and radios are very tightly tied together. If you start with an RTF airplane
package then use the radio that came with that package and consider that radio
dedicated to that package. When you are ready to take the next step THEN you
are ready to look at making that larger investment in a "good radio". There is a chapter
later in the book on selecting your first radio. I recommend you read it before making
your first radio purchase.

FlyWheel

I can bring up an individual post, but there's no option for the printable version. So I have to do both. I go to the printible version of the whole thread, copy/paste the post I want into Word, then print that.

AEAJR

Anyone else have content they would like to add?

nickflyer

I think its hard to follow such an impressive act like that...

-Nick

AEAJR

I was made aware of a series of article written by Jim Bourke. They are 9-10 years old so some of the specifics may be a little out of date. Lipos and brushless motors were not in common use then, but the basics are quite sound.

I long ago learned that people respond to different teachers, different writers, in differnet ways. How one describes something may be confusing while the same material explained by someone else may be quite clear.

Jim is an excellent writer. You may find his articles helpful.

Enjoy!

UNDERSTANDING ELECTRIC POWER SYSTEMS
by Jim Bourke

Part 1
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333326
Part 2
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393253
Part 3
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393251
Part 4
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393252
Part 5
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337735
Part 6
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393254

skybluebobby

I'm as new as it gets when it comes to flying an RC, but now I own one and off I go. I have basic airplane knowledge (15 years hang gliding + some sail plane lessons) plus some mechanical ability (slot cars, go-carts and street luge) but never RC experience. I found initial problems with my RTF: 1-the rudder went the wrong direction, so I put the horn on the other side of the servo, 2-the tail plane does not exactly line up with the fuselarge (spelling??), 3-the wing didn't line up with either the tail plane or the fuse. I fixed the alignment issue by shimming the wing to line up with the tail plane, the fuse is not aligned but it's better than before and eventually I'll fix that too. I also found a broken solder joint at the motor connection - fixed. The control surfaces had most of the travel in one direction so I adjusted the little screw connector (don't know the name of that piece) until i had approx 50/50 movement with slightly more for nose down and P-force directions. Since I have half a brain I was able to do this before I tried my first flight, I'm not airborne yet just crashing but it would probably be worse if hadn't made the adjustments. I tried taking off the ground but spent all my time tip dragging, spinning and sometimes crashing into stationary objects (curbs and lamp posts). My newest plan is get it started and throw it into the air, almost made it fly last time but the day ended with a full loop, a major stall then a real hard nose in, some more repairs required but just some tape and glue. Now the rudder servo moves to one side but not the other so I made adjustment to get back to 50/50 with the limited range that's left. Now the questions.
Is it typical of the cheap-o's to be that out of whack right out of the box?
Is my rudder servo toast?
How do I find an adequate replacement part w/o knowing the original spec for the servo?
Should I have a different approach to my training, maybe a small hill would help or other advise?
How do I know what the prop is, mine is getting smaller and eventually I will break the only one I have. can I get a close match by eye?

Hostile

first you probably have posted in the wrong place for a good feed back on this, but I'll try here. If you post this in a proper thread you may get a better reply from those able to help better. Please excuse the hacking of your post. I've just summarized a bit. Some of the higher TX/RX (radios) have a reversing feature. But what you have done will most likely be fine. This is a problem with "cheapos", just measure it, adjust till right. Probably toast! Check were you bought it, they should have replacement parts. Sounds like you may be on track now! Throw, land in grass. just my $.02.

Edit: The prop can be the most critical part of your plane(obviously )Their are several threads out there, just search. It's a bit to in depth to post here. I'm sure they could explain it better anyways? The place that sold you the plane should have them. GL!

Happycamper

I don't understand it all just yet, am sure that it will come in usefull in the future, as I endeavor to fulfill my pursuit of flight. I have never flown or owned a RC plane before and am looking for some input on a RTF kit that has caught my eye, please let me know what you think....

http://www.bananahobby.com/1651.html

P.S. The videos show a list of supplied parts in the kit...

Btw ED, are you a Scotsman too?

Thanks for the help A.K. Anderson IV

AEAJR

Mostly Sweedish, but they tell me there is some Scot in there somewhere.

It takes a while to grasp all the electroncis stuff.

What is it about this plane that interests you? What do you want to know?

It looks like a good value. The videos show a nice plane that seems to fly well in the hands of an experienced pilot. It also seems to include a USB cable to some simulator SW that I presume works with the radio. Excellent feature. You can practice on the computer.

I can't tell what frequency it is on.

Charger seems undersized for the size of the pack but that just means it will take 1.5-2 hours to charge the pack. If you are going to use that charger, that is a long time between flights. I would recommend you get several spare packs and plan for an upgraded charger at some point.

I can't tell what the fuselage is made of or how crash worthy it is.

Seems to have more than adequate power.

Ground handling looks good if you have a hard paved runway. If you are flying off grass the steering may not work as well. That is not a knock, just a fact. I fly most of my planes with the landing gear remove and belly land them because we do not have a runway.

So, from what I could see and read, looks like a nice package. I have never seen one up close.

AEAJR

WHAT DO THE KV RATINGS ON MOTORS MEAN?

Manufacturers use different wire winds to produce different Kv results.

Kv is a number that relates to how many RPMs a given motor will spin based
on applied voltage. You will see specs on motors where it says Kv=860.
That means that the motor will spin at 860 rpms if you apply one volt to it.
If you apply 7 volts it will span at 6020 rpms.

If the manufacturer takes the same motor he can wind it so that it will
have a lower Kv rating, which typically produces more torque, so these are
typically used with large propellers that will be turned slower. These are
very popular on gliders, for example, where climb angle and climb rate is
much more important than top speed.

Take the same motor and wind it differently and it will have a higher Kv
rating producing higher speeds for a given voltage. These are typically
used with smaller props for higher top speeds. Or they can be used with gear
boxes to handle those big props, providing a similar result to low KV
motors. Sometimes a gear box works better in the installation.

You would also take KV into consideration based on what battery you plan to
use.

If you look here you will see that a given motor is offered in several Kv
ratings. They make suggestions as to which motor is best matched with which
prop and which battery packs. If you click on a given motor you can see what
kinds of power is drawn based on which pack and which prop. If you click on
each of the motors within a model you can see the very different power
curves produced by the different battery/prop combos. Here you see the same
motor with a different wind producing a different Kv result, each optimized
for a different purpose.
http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-262.html

So, how does this add to other information about motors?

I first set a watts/pound target for my plane depending on the performance I
want. I typically target between 70 and 100 watts per pound for sport
planes and gliders. I don't fly 3D.

Then I consider whether I am looking for high speed or high climb rate. A
glider or a 3D plane would be optimized more toward the climb rate side of
this discussion. A pylon racer would be optimized more for speed. A pattern
plane might be somewhere in the middle.

Now I get down to prop and battery. Wider prop for better climb, narrower
deeper prop for higher speed. Now look at the motor character based on
either battery target or prop target and choose the motor/battery/prop combo
that meets your objectives.

That is kind of high level but you get the idea.

murphy

Hello Ed
Thanks for putting your e book on line great idea and full of useful information, especially for a beginner like me it helps to clear up some of the mysteries about electric flight. I would be grateful if you post any more updates and could let me know so I can download them, I downloaded my copy on 6/12/2008.
Thanks murphy.

AEAJR

Glad you found this useful.

When I post the next article, you will get a notice by e-mail automatically.

fjhau

Just a note to say thanks for taking the time to put this together. I am new to this and was looking for something just this to understand what I am getting into. Thanks again

crshbandit

wow, super duper awsome !! Been looking for something like this. Thanks for taking so much time and effort to put this together. I printed out the whole thing and I am gonna put it in a folder for future reference. I am new to electric, but not new to rc planes. So whats a sticky? new guy to this site as well. Thanks again.

cedershack

this thread really helped thanks for the help

AEAJR

Cedershak,

Welcome to Wattflyer. We are all happy to help in any way we can.

acjk

guys i got my first electric airplane.
there are four sets of three pin in the receiver. there are two plugs from two servos
and a plug from esc/bec. there's no indication in the receiver or the instruction note regarding the order of the pins. can anyone help me out?