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Walt Thyng 02-16-2006 03:43 PM

Didn't get much done on the Sopwith Tripe. Spotted a warp in one panel of the top wing and wanted to get it out before proceeding.

Also picked up a Balsa USA Bristol M1. All framed up, but not detailed. Net search did not reveal much info. Any source ideas?

Still waiting for the DVa plans. Should come today or tomorrow.

I'm starting to feel like a WWI specialist (-:
Walt

dicknadine 02-16-2006 04:58 PM

have the 2nd D7 top wing structure, 43" complete at 4 oz. and now starting on the lower wings and fuselage attachments ( box slip joint so I can take apart for transportation, as no van anymore). still looking for a decent light weight, red covering- don't like the shiney surface of Mono-cote. will probably end up at the fabric dept at Wal Mart and dye it RED. dick

scalercflyer 02-19-2006 09:20 AM

Aircraft modeling info site
 
Here is a great site for rc aircraft modeling info. Enjoy Boys! Martin
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Eatong/

Ron 02-20-2006 01:11 AM

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Here is the latest D V111...1/4 scale...just about ready to cover.
i have to build the wing for the axle and hook up the pull pull cables for the rudder and elevators first, then ont to the covering so I can paint it.

WWI Ace 02-21-2006 12:43 AM

Great build Ron!!! I like how the profile of the wing looks so scale. Can't wait to see it covered!! Steve.

scalercflyer 02-21-2006 02:34 AM

Dviii
 
Excellent job on the DVIII Ron! It's another one of my favorites. Have you decided on a camo scheme? I would like to volunteer to help you find one. I have a huge WWI reference library to pull from. Here is a teaser for you. Martin

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...er_Duna/01.jpg

scalercflyer 02-21-2006 02:41 AM

Not another red fokker!
 
WWI Ace! if you build another Red DRI I will personally fill your tail with lead! Anyway, here is another camo scheme you might like. Martin
http://www.labstar.de/Gallery/Wuerzb...ker-DRI-00.jpg

WWI Ace 02-21-2006 03:51 AM

Okay, okay!!! Whose plane is that? It looks like somebody painted it with mustard!!! Throw a slab of ham on it and we'll have a sandwich!!! Steve.

Ron 02-21-2006 06:18 PM

Thanks Steve...I just started covering last night, and hope to be ready to start the camo painting Monday or Tuesday. If anyone is interested, I can post pics and instructions for the " hand painted" lozenge scheme...It sounds daunting, but if you follow " the method " it's really quite simple and only takes a couple of evenings to do.....also a question for you guys.......does anyone know if the forward deck under the guns was ever done in aluminum??? only examples I have seen to date are olive drab.
I did the DR1 with the aluminum plating, and it looks pretty sharp under the guns. The only part of this project I'm not looking forward to is making the guns...for some reason this part isn't one of my favorites.
It seems so piddely and time consuming for what you get....I can carve and balance a 30" propellor faster than I can make a set of guns.

Walt Thyng 02-21-2006 08:50 PM

Just got my Albatros plans today. The seller wasn't kidding when he said they were very detailed. I think one could build a competitive scale ship from them. They are sharp and very clear; no instructions, but I'm not worried about that. Top wing approx 59in, fuselage length 45in. A nice sized airplane. Probably won't start on it until next fall(if I can hold out that long)

Should have more pics on theSopwith Triplane later today.
Walt

WWI Ace 02-23-2006 01:41 AM

I just ordered Aerodromes 35"ws Fokker tripe kit 3 days ago. I couldn't resist any longer. Now with Martin's help I'll try to figure out what tripe I want to recreate. He already said that I couldn't build a red one!! Darn it!! Steve.

scalercflyer 02-23-2006 01:52 AM

Dri
 
You better not Steve! I'm watching you!! Martin

scalercflyer 02-23-2006 01:56 AM

Dvi
 
Hey Walt! I have a nice set of "detailed" plans for a Fokker DVI just in case the DVa plans are too much for you !!!!!!! :D :D Martin

Walt Thyng 02-23-2006 04:54 AM

Tripehound build
 
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Well, let's see what happens this time. Last set of pics I posted came up out of order.

1. wheel retainer in jig. A very simple way to get those pesky washers soldered on straight.

2, landing gear with axle channel.

3,4 the way it works.

5. wheels up!

6, 7 tailskid installation at rest and full extension. I find these bird handle better on the ground of the skid is sprung.

8,9 standing on her own three feet (-:

Ron 02-23-2006 07:30 AM

Steve...I do believe the color red for the DR1 has been used once already, and you wouldn't want to be the same as someone else now would you ??
Martin..any suggestions for a D V111 colour scheme would be actually appreciated especially if it is one that involves the dreaded lozenge scheme.....I saw one in a book today that had lozenge on the wing too, but since the book was being bought by someone else, I wasn't able to come home with it. I think the guy probably wanted to use some information from the book to build a red DR1 :-)

WWI Ace 02-23-2006 07:12 PM

Why are you guys always so mean to me? HaHa!! Steve.

Jim M. 02-23-2006 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by larrypaul (Post 17868)
Does anyone have plans for a taub?

Did you ever find Taube plans? Try Flying Models Magazine web site. They have a couple i believe but they may not be the size your looking for.

Glo4U 02-23-2006 11:37 PM

I have plans for a 38"ws Triplane and a 36"SE5a. These are Guillows models taken up to 1" = 1' or better. I am going to build the Triplane, I plan to use 3/32 for the ribs and formers, and a brushless outrunner for power.

Gloria

kensp 02-23-2006 11:49 PM

WWI Bristol Scout
 
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Here is my first effort at building a WWI Warbird. Specifications are:-

Span. 28 inches
Wing Area 322 sq in
Weight 240 grams (8.6 oz)
Motor Tower Pro 2810-12 Star 950 Kv
Castle Creations Phoenix 10
Propeller 10 x 4.7 GWS Slowfly
Battery 2 cell 300 mAh Hyperion 20C
2 servos, one on rudder and the other one on the elevator

Ken

Ron 02-24-2006 06:51 AM

Lookin' good Ken ! just love those models with the big round cowls....

Balsa Shavings 02-25-2006 01:44 PM

Hello: Fellas, I'm in the middle of building a Sikorsky S-16 from a set of pull-out plans from Fly RC Magazine. I had them blown up at Staples for $8.00. I'm using a geared 480 & 1600MAh MiHD @ 9.6 Volts, 10X8 Prop. I found the battery packs at Wal-Mart in the clearance bin, near rhe R/C Cars for $2.00 each, I bought the last 3 they had. Have to solder some connectors on them, but no big deal. This is my first venture of a WW1 type aircraft. I like to design & build oddball aircraft. Some Fly, Some don't. The current project on Turbo Cad is a Forward Swept Wing, Flying wing. . I'm a better builder than pilot. Due to back injury I have lot's of time on my hands to build. Check out this link for some really cool free plans, most are DXF files, some DWG, PDF & Raster.

http://www.profili2.com/eng/default_plans.htm

Keep The Faith: Johnny

WWI Ace 02-26-2006 11:17 PM

Hey guys!!! I've been over on Aerodrome's message board bugging Kurt about following through with a 52"ws Fokker triplane kit. If you guys want to, let him know if it's worth kitting or not. I personally have this dream of someday having a larger electric triplane to take to the "slimer field" and show those guys how cool WWI planes look in the air!!! I'm tired of seeing profiles, Edges, Yaks, and WWII planes all the time!!! Of course I'll have to make it red and send Marty a huge picture of it because red tripes are his favorite!!! :D Steve.

scalercflyer 02-26-2006 11:25 PM

Red DRI
 
You're killing me Steve!

Ron 02-27-2006 05:55 PM

Steve...If you want to do a larger DR1....I have a set of plans for a 30% that would look great in an all red colour scheme....mine's red/green sky blue...it is like a balsa overcast when it flys by....and the machine guns firing away as it goes down the runway really grab attention. We're going to rig it up so there are little puffs of dust along the edge of the runway for bullet hits this year at the spring fly in. I have an acquaintance who does this sorta thing for a living, and he figures it will be a piece of cake....

Ron 02-27-2006 06:23 PM

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Got the fuselage covered this weekend, and last night I got it ready for the lozenge scheme.....first thing to do is go to a craft store and get a chalk pencil......then freehand all the shapes onto the fuselage with the chalk. Next decide the colours you are using...in my case it is biege....blue....purple....green....since I covered the fuselage in green, I only have to paint three colours of the four colour scheme...so these pictures are already 25% of the colour scheme done, and I haven't picked up a paint brush yet :-).....next... label each coloured shape with the chalk stick...since beige and blue both start with B, I used T for the beige since it's technically called Taupe. so order is......Taupe.....Purple Smoke.....Liberty Blue.... and Olive Drab...the bottom colours are different they are
Purple Smoke...maple Sugar Brown....Golden Tan, and Olive Drab...
These are all delta Ceram cote Tole paints....they are available at most Wal Marts and at almost any Tole painting or craft shop. they thin with water, and cleanup is soap and warm water. They are about 2 dollars a bottle.... I'm on my second 1/4 scale lozenge job with these five bottles, and will easily get a third if I wish. Only other things needed are some paper towels, a drip coffee filter , a " Liner " brush and a 1/4" to 3/8" flat brush....Here she is with 25% of the painting done and not including covering about 20 minutes time into it...I don't count the covering as you have to cover even if you don't do the painting.....
Well I guess you don't have to, but it will fly better if you do :-)
tonight I hope to have about two and a half hours to finish it...the nice thing about this paint is that when you finish the one colour which takes 40 to 45 min, the you start back at the end of the fuselage you first started with, and the paint is already dry. It actually only takes about 5 minutes to dry.....SO HERE SHE IS 25% DONE.

dicknadine 02-27-2006 06:44 PM

paint method
 
thanks for the simple procedure. now I know what paint to get for my Black cross's on the Red synthetic silk that I'm useing on my DVII. no camaflouge on this one, maybe on the 2nd one. plan on finishing the top wing to fuselage struts then its ready to cover the wings. fuselage will wait till after I get the electric power supply and servos mounted. still waiting for instructions on how to download my new HP 315 camera. it sure is diffent than the old floppy one, which also got lost in Katrina with all of my planes and supplies. starting from scratch again isn't too easy at 81 1/2 years young. dick

WWI Ace 02-28-2006 12:39 AM

Hey Ron, isn't a 30% tripe a little over 60"ws? If it is it's a little too big. I'd probably have to rob a bank to have money to e-power it. Is yours e-powered? If it is could you tell us about your power system? The Fokker tripe is my favorite plane!!! Maybe someday I'll be able to have one that big. Your building is coming along nicely. You and Walt must have went to the same school of building because you're both really good at it!!! Steve.:)

scalercflyer 02-28-2006 12:59 AM

Red DRIs
 
I might just switch sides and fly a Sopwith Camel! :D That way I can shoot down all your RED DRIs! :D :D Move over Snoopy. :) Boy, do I hate red triplanes! :mad: :mad: Martin

Ron 02-28-2006 12:59 AM

Yup...it's a little over 60"....88 to be exact...it's powered by an Axi 4130/20 on a 2 to 1 reduction...twenty round cells and a 30 X 14 hand carved prop. model weighs 10 1/2 pounds and the power system produces 12 1/2 pounds of thrust. It's basically just a huge park flyer, but is fairly aerobatic if the mood strikes. This model is 5 seasons old, and is my all time fave to fly.....It's kinda like a Cub on steroids, but much better behaved on the ground than a Cub. Takeoff speed according to the RADAR gun is 14 mph...it doesn't rotate, it kinda just levitates off the ground...flying speed is anything over 17mph and top speed is about 35.
I use the throttle trim lever for scale like takeoffs and level flight. Throttle stick is only used for " uplines" If I apply throttle with no up elevator, it doesn't change attitude, it just goes up like an elevator. Only drawback is crosswind landings are a bit of a test, so in that situation I usually land cross runway into the wind as rollout is all of ten ft or so. If I'm in a hurry to get in the air and use about half throttle, the takeoff run is about the same distance

WWI Ace 02-28-2006 03:31 AM

Ron that sounds like the coolest parkflyer ever!!! Sounds like it flies alot like my tripes except for the good ground handling part. My little ones are kinda twitchy on the ground. But I can keep up with them most of the time. I can't believe it is going that slow at takeoff. I would figure a plane that heavy, even with all the wing area would need to go faster than that. I bet it gets its fair share of attention when you fly it!!! Steve.:D

Ron 02-28-2006 05:19 AM

yes it does draw lots of attention Steve...pretty much everyone stops flying to watch it in the air.It has roughly 18 square ft. of wing area, and weighs only 10 1/2 pounds, so it's pretty lightly loaded...
For those that are interested I am posting the method to do hand painted lozenge tonite....first thing you have to do is pretend the piece of billious green poster board in the example is olive drab then follow the instructions in the next post or two.

Ron 02-28-2006 05:23 AM

step one....draw the shapes with a chalk pencil, then label them for the colours

step 2....pick the lightest colour first.. fold up and wet ( really wet) a piece of paper towel, place it on a saucer, then cut a small square of coffee filter and place it on the paper towel. squeeze some paint onto the filter paper, load up the liner brush with paint, and do the perimiter lines of the lightest colour. Once that's done, load up the flat brush with paint and fill in the centers

Ron 02-28-2006 05:25 AM

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OOPS forgot pictures

Ron 02-28-2006 05:30 AM

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Next step...do exactly the same with the second colour, then the third colour as per the pictures.....the fourth colour was done for you before you started this, but you just didn't realize it at the time :p

look in the top right of the example ( pic number2 ),and you will see a purposely fouled up shape. I did this to show it really makes no difference in the end product

Ron 02-28-2006 05:36 AM

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The example on the piece of cardboard took approximately ten minutes to do.....after two hours, I had the top, both sides of the model done in one colour scheme, and the bottom done in the second. This is what happens in just under two hours including wash up time, and a " smoke break "
hope you like it. the pics aren't great, but you get the idea

Ron 02-28-2006 05:43 AM

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Forgot to post pictures of all the supplies you are going to need to do this " job"
chalk pencil
liner brush
flat brush
paper towel
drip coffee filter
saucer
5 colours of paint
Just under two hours of spare time, and a not too steady hand.
The 24" prop is optional..so is the 26" one in the background :-)

scalercflyer 02-28-2006 07:47 AM

Camo scheme
 
Ron, YOU ARE THE MAN! :D I love the simplicity of the technique. I will definately use it in the future when I build my DVIII. This is what it's all about Guys. Sharing and helping one another. :) :D I'm loving it! Steve, pay attention! Now you have no excuse for not trying something different! :eek: Say no to RED TRIPLANES! :D Martin

Walt Thyng 02-28-2006 03:01 PM

man I was looking up the Albatros in "The Complete Book of Fighters" and found a photo of a DV/DrI. A Dv with three wings! Now I"m not a total glutton for punishment, but I do like unusual versions of well known planes (my Spitfire will have the German markings of a captured plane). Does anybody have any more info onthis unusual bird?
Walt
PS.: Ron, thanks for the great tips on how to do lozenge schemes.

Ron 02-28-2006 05:56 PM

Walt...Martin...Steve...you are most welcome...I have had many many tips passed on to me from others over the course of my "modeling career", and am only too happy to share them with others. That's how we all learn.
The only thing I will suggest with this method, is to get a small piece of scrap, and try it out first because there are a couple things you are going to have to realize....1....don't use real cheap brushes...
2....put lots of paint in your brush.and keep the paint thin enough to be really " fluid" ...don't be afraid to as they say " load the brush up with paint" 3....the liner strokes should be done fairly quickly as you will get a smoother, straighter line that way...4 .....and this is the tough part....trust yourself that you are going to do a great job, and you will....my grandfather was a sign painter/commercial artist, and he used to always tell me do not go slowly...load your brush up really well, aim your brush in the direction you want to go, trust that your hand will end up there, and get to it...your lines don't have to be perfect, they just have to look like you were relaxed when you did them.
Steve:.....If my memory serves me correctly, there is a lozenge scheme that's predominantly red :-)

WWI Ace 02-28-2006 07:17 PM

Hey walt. If your talking about the same plane I think you are go to www.aerodromerc.com I think they have a laser cut kit and sell just the plans if that's all you want. Steve:)


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