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79CJ 06-02-2010 08:41 PM

7car7, and others - I'm still new to rc planes, and like I said I want this to be a relaxing flyer. I guess I'm more comfortable with my Super Cub because of the slower speeds and trainer handling than I am with my Electrifly Fokker, but it may be the speed that is difficult, not the alieron controls. What do you think?

Also, I want the fully loaded weight to be around 24oz. That means I've got 680g to work with. My power and control system works out to be 337.5g, so I've got 342.9g - 3/4th of a pound to work with. Is this realistic? I'm trying for a light build, but I don't want to fool myself either.

7car7 06-03-2010 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by 79CJ (Post 724305)
7car7, and others - I'm still new to rc planes, and like I said I want this to be a relaxing flyer. I guess I'm more comfortable with my Super Cub because of the slower speeds and trainer handling than I am with my Electrifly Fokker, but it may be the speed that is difficult, not the alieron controls. What do you think?

Also, I want the fully loaded weight to be around 24oz. That means I've got 680g to work with. My power and control system works out to be 337.5g, so I've got 342.9g - 3/4th of a pound to work with. Is this realistic? I'm trying for a light build, but I don't want to fool myself either.

I'm always a fan of a light plane, they're so much easier to fly/land. But that will be a tradeoff for the windier days. Heavier tends to be more stable.
I say make it as light as you can, you can always add dead weight or a larger battery for windy days.
I'd tend to think that if you're able to get the Electrifly Fokker up and down in one piece, then you might be happiest with your new build being full house. Sorta like the expensive radio arguement - chances are you're not going to loose interest in this hobby, you'll only get better (and therefore want more sophisticated stuff). You MIGHT have a higher chance of being bored with the plane as a 3 channel later on. I really LOVE flying my Tiger Moth as a 3 channel, but one simple rudder/elevator plane is enough for me usually.

79CJ 06-03-2010 09:02 PM

[QUOTE=7car7]I'd tend to think that if you're able to get the Electrifly Fokker up and down in one piece, then you might be happiest with your new build being full house. [QUOTE]

If you've seen my pictures from the D.VII thread, this is debateable. I do think you're right though, my skills will only improve.

Anyone able to chime in if my 3/4lb weight for the plane is a realistic goal?

Bill.

scalercflyer 06-04-2010 02:24 PM

DVII
 

Originally Posted by 79CJ (Post 724168)
I hate to post a build after Bill G, what a nice looking plane, nice work.

Anyway, I've started work on a 46" Fokker D.VIII. I'm not sure whether I want to do full house or just rudder/ alieron control. I'd kind of like a docile high wing monoplane type to just put around and relax on. If so, I'll have to build a little non-scale dihedral in. Time will tell. I've framed up the horizontal stab and the fuse. It is going to be the biggest plane I've built yet, I want to cut down on the days the wind limits my flying.

Nice build. One of my favorites BTW. :) I have several sets of plans including one with a 69" WS! :eek::D:cool: Marty PS any more pics/progress?

79CJ 06-04-2010 06:55 PM

I've got the tail surfaces all sanded and the horizontal stab hinged. I've started to use the du-bro teflon hinges. I glue them in easily, so then they break they are soooo much easier to replace than a CA hinge that has turned the whole hinge slot into concrete.

I'm hoping to get working on the wing this weekend.

79CJ 06-07-2010 05:26 PM

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I got some good work done on the “Flying Razor” this weekend. I have the wing all built, it is made with balsa ribs, LE, and TE, and then has 4 basswood spars. I’m sure there is an engineering way to say this, but it is strong and stiff if you try to flex it up or down, but weaker if you twist it. I think I’m going to put some lightweight balsa triangulation in to stiffen it up againts twisting forces. There are also holes in the ribs, not to lighten them, but to allow the servo wires to pass through.

The wing was a bit difficult to build because it tapers in both height and width. The width was easy, but the height was more difficult. It is flat on the top all the way across, but tapers like a dihedral on the underside. I built it upside down, but it is round on the top, so it wanted to roll around. I am pleased with how straight and level it came out.

This is the largest model I've ever built, it is nice to work with larger pieces, it's not so fragile to handle.

7car7 06-07-2010 06:18 PM

Wing looks great! Nicely undercambered too. You don't see that very often.

I wouldn't worry about the twisty-ness. I'm sure the covering will give considerable stiffness to it.

What are you covering with btw? Real one was wood covered, but that would be a lot of weight.

scalercflyer 06-07-2010 06:30 PM

Wing
 
The real wing was sheeted with plywood. I have several sets of plans for this bird including a wing sheeted except for two panels on either side. I personally like a sheeted wing since they are so much stronger. The body on the plane weighs next to nothing so you will not have a weight penalty if you sheet the wing. marty

79CJ 06-07-2010 07:26 PM

I've been considering sheeting, like the original, but I'm leaning towards covering for 2 reasons - 1, it is easier than fitting pieces thin balsa over the compound curve of the wing - I sheeted a P-47 and did not enjoy myself, and 2, the weight.

I'm planning on a silk and nitrate dope covering. You're probably right 7car7, covering will stiffen it up - and sheeting certainly would. A sheeted wing or fuse might as well be set in concrete.

Bill G 06-10-2010 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 724694)
Nice build. One of my favorites BTW. :) I have several sets of plans including one with a 69" WS! :eek::D:cool: Marty PS any more pics/progress?

The DVIII is one of my favorites too. I need one of those in the collection. Considering how I tend to gravitate toward monoplanes, I'm surprised I've built other WWI planes ahead of it. 2 wings = 2 much work. :D

Originally Posted by 79CJ (Post 724721)
I've got the tail surfaces all sanded and the horizontal stab hinged. I've started to use the du-bro teflon hinges. I glue them in easily, so then they break they are soooo much easier to replace than a CA hinge that has turned the whole hinge slot into concrete.

I'm hoping to get working on the wing this weekend.

That's a good one. :Q I've slowly been learning that they don't really need to have the entire pocked flooded with glue, to hold them in. After 4 years or so, I also finally learned that the patience of waiting for 5min epoxy to cure, versus CA, is worth the few extra seconds.

degreen60 06-11-2010 09:22 PM

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All this talk about Fokker DVIII and look what I got today. Now I need eye of newt, hair off a frog, left back leg of a lizard, now where did I put my book that tells how to combine them and shake over the plane.
If anyone has the manual for Kavan Fokker DVIII I need to know how much dihedral and COG of the plane.

scalercflyer 06-11-2010 09:46 PM

DVIII
 
You Devil! Where did you get that plane? Marty

dbcisco 06-11-2010 09:48 PM

Cool and rare. What a find!

79CJ 06-11-2010 09:57 PM

Nice, looks like it was made around the same time as the originals! I'm sure you'll have it fixed up in no time. Can't wait to see it.

degreen60 06-11-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 726469)
You Devil! Where did you get that plane? Marty

A friend about 25 miles away contacted me and offered to trade for a brushless motor and ESC for his Eflite Nieuport. I jumped at the chance. He has see some of the wrecks after I rebuilt them and thought I would enjoy making this one fly again. He said the landing gear was a very weak spot and sense this one is missing knew I would make new landing gear anyway. I looked for a good color scheme and found this one. I am guessing the wing is all brown. This will be my second Kavan plane, I also have the Albatros DVa.

scalercflyer 06-12-2010 12:50 PM

Scheme
 
Looks like Lt. Von Bubblebee flys again! :eek::D;) Marty

WWI Ace 06-12-2010 03:19 PM

That is a cool plane!!

scalercflyer 06-13-2010 12:18 AM

Info website Rise of Flight
 
Check this out Boys! Nice illustrations and good info. Marty

http://riseofflight.com/en/store/planes/Airco_DH2

Bill G 06-15-2010 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 726465)
All this talk about Fokker DVIII and look what I got today. Now I need eye of newt, hair off a frog, left back leg of a lizard, now where did I put my book that tells how to combine them and shake over the plane.
If anyone has the manual for Kavan Fokker DVIII I need to know how much dihedral and COG of the plane.

Nice find. On a short nosed plane like that, I'd go 25% center chord max. It will like lead. :D
For all practical intent and purpose, the wing profile is slightly forward swept in terms of area, which moves the CG forward, compared with a constant chord, straight wing.
I'd also whack ailerons into it, and not worry much about the dihedral, going scale.

degreen60 06-15-2010 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Bill G (Post 727571)
Nice find. On a short nosed plane like that, I'd go 25% center chord max. It will like lead. :D
For all practical intent and purpose, the wing profile is slightly forward swept in terms of area, which moves the CG forward, compared with a constant chord, straight wing.
I'd also whack ailerons into it, and not worry much about the dihedral, going scale.

I glued the wing back together guessing that the break when put together would set the dihedral correct. I am thinking about adding ailerons to some of my WWI 3 channel planes without changing the dihedral so I can roll them. A couple will do rudder rolls if I catch the wind just right. I am going to start with 3 channel on this one. Also I do not install servos like the kits show. I mount my servos as far forward as possible. Do not use push rods put install pull pull. I think it looks better and saves weight at the tail.

degreen60 06-15-2010 08:50 PM

I am wanting to add ailerons to my Wattage Camel without changing the dihedral. As it is now setup it is a nice flying plane. I have 11X8 slow turning prop on it and like the original aircraft it will turn right lot quicker than left. I can rudder roll it right but not left. Has anyone added ailerons and changed noting else so the plane will still fly as a 3 channel? I am also thinking of changing rudder on my 3 channels to left stick so it will match my aireron planes, comments anyone?

scalercflyer 06-15-2010 09:03 PM

CG
 
Hey D I have several sets of plans for the DVIII. Would you like me to check the position of the CG? I assume it would be roughly the same for all of them. Marty

degreen60 06-15-2010 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 727591)
Hey D I have several sets of plans for the DVIII. Would you like me to check the position of the CG? I assume it would be roughly the same for all of them. Marty

Yes. Sense it is a tapered wing I need the % at the center line of the wing. I checked the plans I have have, one is control line so that would be too far forward. The other plan is a free flight and does not have balance point on the plan.

7car7 06-16-2010 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 727584)
I am also thinking of changing rudder on my 3 channels to left stick so it will match my aireron planes, comments anyone?

I have ailerons on my Eflite Jenny foamy. I'd have it no other way. It has a slight bit of Dihedral, but not much. It will NOT roll. Just doesn't have the speed or mass, or too much lift, or who knows what. It's VERY stable. The ailerons make it turn (bank) much better than just the rudder. I have it set up like a conventional 4 channel, rudder on the left stick. I can put that plane anywhere, land it anywhere, and do it all at about 2mph! (exagerating, but not by much).

Oh, you've probably seen it, but as a reminder, it's one single servo, under the lower wing, with pull-pull string control. Added only the weight of the servo - about 6grams.

degreen60 06-17-2010 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by 7car7 (Post 727825)
I have ailerons on my Eflite Jenny foamy. I'd have it no other way. It has a slight bit of Dihedral, but not much. It will NOT roll. Just doesn't have the speed or mass, or too much lift, or who knows what. It's VERY stable. The ailerons make it turn (bank) much better than just the rudder. I have it set up like a conventional 4 channel, rudder on the left stick. I can put that plane anywhere, land it anywhere, and do it all at about 2mph! (exagerating, but not by much).

Oh, you've probably seen it, but as a reminder, it's one single servo, under the lower wing, with pull-pull string control. Added only the weight of the servo - about 6grams.

My Eflite Jenny will do rudder rolls without ailerons. It has very little dihedral. I modified it into an N9. I had to add fin area so it could be controled when the floats are installed. I can fly it with wheels, skis, or floats. I have not tried to roll it when the floats are installed.

scalercflyer 06-20-2010 03:02 PM

Happy Fathers Day!
 
Happy Father's Day to all of my Brothers here! Marty

dbcisco 06-20-2010 03:42 PM

Happy Fathers' Day!!!

degreen60 06-20-2010 10:40 PM

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The Fokker DVIII I am rebuilding now has the fuselage almost finished. I did not have the struts to attach the wing so I use other plans and guessed where the wing should be using bamboo skewers to make new struts. I also made the landing gear with bamboo skewers using other plans to guess how it should look.

dbcisco 06-21-2010 02:16 AM

Is that a bumblebbe or yellow jacket?

TM4197 06-21-2010 03:26 AM

DEGREEN:

What motor are you going to use?

degreen60 06-21-2010 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by TM4197 (Post 729085)
DEGREEN:

What motor are you going to use?

A Tower Pro 2410-8, 2s, with either a 9 or 10 inch prop. I have this set up with 9 inch prop in my Kavan Albatros and I think Kavan used the same motor in both planes.

degreen60 06-21-2010 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by dbcisco (Post 729070)
Is that a bumblebbe or yellow jacket?

Its a killer honey bee.

TM4197 06-21-2010 04:31 AM

Love those 2410's . Good luck on the rest of the build!! LOOKS GREAT!

degreen60 06-21-2010 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by dbcisco http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/imag...s/viewpost.gif
Is that a bumblebbe or yellow jacket?

Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 729098)
Its a killer honey bee.

Maybe I should have said it is a German killer bee. Stay away from its sting.

TM4197 06-21-2010 03:35 PM

Windy Pup flight
 
A little bastast and a nice 2408, and she flew pretty good. This was my first one, another one in the air as well now. My poor pilot has a bruise on his forehead:eek: I'll get these landings down yet.

TM4197 06-21-2010 03:37 PM

wooops...ivalid file..guess I need to convert the vid.

TM4197 06-21-2010 03:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/user/615thAer.../2/9XJ7qDAPjdw

Maybe this will work

degreen60 06-21-2010 06:58 PM

I need to find one of those Sopwith Pups crashed and trashed to rebuild.

TM4197 06-21-2010 07:18 PM

salvage
 
Tell ya what.when I spin one in, you'll get the first offer. I've seen you rebuilds!! BTW: I do have a TM in a few pieces!::o

TM4197 06-21-2010 07:31 PM

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The green one is my lastest, flys like a wild banchee..and the yellow one is in a few pieces, but very doable.


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