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scalercflyer 11-20-2005 02:17 PM

Jackpot!
 
Boys, I hit the jackpot while I was surfing the net! :D Check out the website below. Most interesting and informative. Now you guys (and me too) have no excuse for not being accurate with the colors on your WWI planes! WWI Ace, this one is for you Pal! Martin

http://misterkitusa.com/9dfef5d6-cef...015385b-9.html

watt_the?! 11-20-2005 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by WWI Ace (Post 23574)
I doubt it looked like that while he was building. He cleaned it before the picture!!! How could you ever find what your looking for if it's that neat? Steve.

if id taken the pic with the ''normal'' workbench itd be hard to see the plane.

:D

dicknadine 11-21-2005 07:06 PM

Fokker C1 2 passenger 1919 version,
 
need 60" plans of Fokker D7, not necessarly scale, to modify to 60" CI, 1919 2 passenger version. my completed one was lost in Katrina. dick stamm

Oldpilot 11-22-2005 04:03 AM

SCALEFLYER.

How have you made out with your Fokker D-V111.
I have ordered the 84" plans from MAN and am anxious to hear how other people have gone on with the E.V.

MoCarz.com 11-23-2005 10:39 AM

Could life FINALLY be given to this long thought dead project?
 
Psssst!

I know by now most of you have given up on me, but have no fear.... I have made some SERIOUS headway here the last few days, as I have had a break from the norm, and a chance to rest and get a 'little better'....

I should be posting some rather 'serious' pictures here in the next few days for your review and comments. And as always, ALL comments are welcome AND ENCOURAGED!

So, for now, since we are on the subject of German Colors (or Colours if you prefer.... :D ), here is my little wallpaper for either your desktop or homepage... I will also have an 'editable' version that I will post later on this week as well as kind of a 'Happy Turkey Day!' present! Not only editable in colors (sigh..., colours!), but also in size! PLUS, I also have 4 MORE patterns in the works that are also tileable for easy lozenge prints for your planes!

Enjoy and be sure and keep a watch here (or should I not highjack, and create a new thread? Either way is OK with me and I will COMPLETELY understand if I need to start a new thread!) and see what develops in the next 72 hours!

http://www.mocarz.com/rc-plane/lozzy...ight_small.jpg
click me for a full size image!

http://www.mocarz.com/rc-plane/lozzy...dark_small.jpg
click me for a full size image!


~MoCarz.com~
aka, Clay Wood
coming soon
http://www.mocarz.com/default_files/snf_logo_small.jpg
WWI Scale R/C Aircraft
watch for a release soon from the 'Old Rusty Skeeter Aerodrome', a division of MoCarz.com

Oldpilot 11-23-2005 12:42 PM

GOOD ONE CLAY. THX for the images. Glad you are feeling a "Little Better".

WWI Ace 11-23-2005 07:43 PM

As far as I'm concerned you're a fellow WWI buff and you're welcome here anytime!! I keep checking your site once in a while to see how it's coming along. Glad to here you got some rest! It's easy to wear yourself completely out trying to deal with everything that comes up. Thanks for the pics. They are great!!! Steve.

MoCarz.com 11-23-2005 10:19 PM

Many thanks Steve and Paddy!! DEFINITELY mcuh appreciated!

Rest is DEFINITELY something I have been neglecting myself here lately, and with the next round of surgeries coming up (actually, mid-January), it something I need to do more of.

Now that I have time to though, I can FINALLY try and get these airplanes 'off the ground' (yeah, that one WAS intended! LOL!!)

Thanks for the hearty welcome back and glad to be BACK!

Take care all, and to all have a WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON!!

~Clay Wood

scalercflyer 11-24-2005 04:25 PM

RC aircraft
 
Clay, you have more than captured my attention with the scale RC WWI aircraft kits! I/we need more info!! I'm very interested in the N 17c. Don't leave us hanging!!! BTW, I noticed your verse at the bottom. Martin

Walt Thyng 11-24-2005 08:23 PM

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I'm back. Hope everyone is having a great thanksgiving. My wife was hospitalized for four days with a fever of 104 and no diagnosed cuase as yet.

Here's my Oberusel motor build.

1. basic components: 2inch PVC pipe for crankcase, 1 3/4 inch PVC nipples for cylinders. I ground flats on the pipe at 40 degree separations
2. basic motor front view
3. basic motor rear view showing cut aways to clear battery pack
4. raw motor with components to build. Top to bottom: outer pushrod sleeve for exhaust pipes; 1/16 music wire for top half of plugs; copper stripped from wire for plug leads; 1/16 id aluminum tubing for bottom half of plugs, 1/8 dia plastic tubing o simulate actuator rod for valves. (Cylinder heads were made from balsa)
5. close up of unpainmted center cylinder
6/7 two views of painted motor
8 motor mounted by epoxying to back of cowl.

Now working on the Spandaus. I've given up finding an appropriate simulation of the perforated cooling jacket and intend to paint an aluminum tube gun metal and expose the aluminum to simulate holes.
Walt

scalercflyer 11-24-2005 11:16 PM

Engine
 
Excellent job on the engine Walt! :D Sure gives me some ideas. :rolleyes: I hope to be starting my DVIII before too long. Will keep everyone posted. Martin

Walt Thyng 11-29-2005 03:12 PM

Dr. 1 update
 
Hi guys,
well I thought I had the Tripe ready to go and when I ran up the motor I got a bad vibration. Too tired to check it out last night. Today 2inches of snow )-:

I've started gathering wood for the Tripehound (where DID that name come from?) and I have found another unusual color scheme.

FYI Dan Brett has bought out the Willlims Bros. molds and is slowly ramping up production. It sounds like it is a "cotage" industry. He answered my e-mail within hours. You can go to the old Williams Bros Model Products web site or e-mail Dan at: [email protected] net.att. net

He is doing direct sales and accepts credit cards.
WT

WWI Ace 11-30-2005 03:58 AM

Thanks Walt!! I was wondering if Williams would ever get up and running again. Steve

Walt Thyng 11-30-2005 05:53 AM

I discovered that motors vibrate a lot less if there is more than one screw in the four point motor mount )-:

Also, my Dr.1 is NOSE heavy by a lot. How did I manage that?
Walt

WWI Ace 12-01-2005 01:10 AM

Yeah Walt. It also tends to keep the motor attached to the airframe during flight!!! Steve.

scalercflyer 12-01-2005 02:15 AM

Balance it
 
Walt, just add some lead weight (alot?) to the tail .... works everytime :D :D Martin

50+AirYears 12-01-2005 03:17 PM

Yep, lots of lead in the tail will permanently cure any and all faults on the first flight.

Walt Thyng 12-01-2005 03:57 PM

Donno what happened, I posted a reply and it didn;t whow up.

Youse guys are sooooo helpfu (-:
I moved the servos back and the battery pack behind the firewall. Balance looks good now. AUW is 7 3/4 which made me go back and look at the power numbers. turns out I'm bett off with an Astro 25 and superbox than with the 40G standard. Better climb and only sightly less top speed --- and climb is what the Dr.1 was all about.
Walt

PS WWI Ace are you going to cover that Cessna in a lozenge scheme? (-:

watt_the?! 12-01-2005 09:54 PM

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some more progress..starting to look the part now..

scalercflyer 12-02-2005 05:56 AM

Tripe
 
Looking good Watt. :D Nice build job..... :) I still can't get over the size of the rudder..... :eek: seems overkill to me.... Martin

WWI Ace 12-03-2005 03:38 AM

Yeah Walt. I think the lozenge pattern would look good on a Cessna. Might even put some crosses on the wings and fuse. Sad thing is that around here nobody would know it was incorrect!!! I'll probably put a single machine gun on the top wing too!!! Steve.

Walt Thyng 12-03-2005 03:48 AM

Gota be a Lewis!

The re-arranging on my Dr.1 resulted in a perfect 10 degrees nose down balance. Now if the weather will jsut warm up.
Walt

Rhondas 12-03-2005 03:02 PM

machine guns
 
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just wing it
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...2/TW002-05.jpg

Bigfoot21075 12-05-2005 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by MoCarz.com (Post 24238)
Many thanks Steve and Paddy!! DEFINITELY mcuh appreciated!

Rest is DEFINITELY something I have been neglecting myself here lately, and with the next round of surgeries coming up (actually, mid-January), it something I need to do more of.

Now that I have time to though, I can FINALLY try and get these airplanes 'off the ground' (yeah, that one WAS intended! LOL!!)

Thanks for the hearty welcome back and glad to be BACK!

Take care all, and to all have a WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON!!

~Clay Wood

This is the first I have heard of what you are doing! I would be ALL OVER a decent N17 kit like you are thinking of.

Rhondas 12-06-2005 01:05 AM

your plane is a beauty

NitroCharged 12-06-2005 02:01 AM

Tim,
I would love to be at the maiden of your new Fokker! Any chance of an invite when you are ready to go? :)

watt_the?! 12-06-2005 02:10 AM

sure thing...

John Showers 12-06-2005 10:09 PM

Fokker DVIII
 

Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 2335)
Hi WWI Ace! I'm new to the WATTFLYER family, but not new to RC. My passion is WWI fighters, especially German. I do like the "feel" of this site. I also hope to make new friends in the scale community here. I have MANY sets of electric plans for WWI birds that I have been collecting since I got bit by the electric bug. I hope to build 2 planes (Fokker DVIII, Albatros DIII, both 400 size) this winter for next years flying season. I would count it a priviledge to hear from some of the other scale "nuts" here. All the Best, Martin

Hi, can you post some details about the speed 400 Fokker DVIII. Wingspan, wing area, reduction drive ratio, flying weight. I was thinking about enlarging my Cleveland 30" wingspan version, very simple structure they use. They call it "Flying Razor", it's an IT Industrial Plan they have. I bilt one back in the 50's, flew well with Cub .049 (original long stroke engine). I used an 8" prop from my Herkimer CO2, not much rpm, but just right. Thanks for the info.
John

Edi 12-26-2005 11:42 PM

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Here is my little Aerodromerc Fokker Dr.1 (the 23 3/8") ready to be maidened.
The dummy engine is spinning freely on the axle. Looks great and adds a nice sound. Unfortunately, it was a bit windy today and the battery of the video camera was down (I like to have the maidens on tape). I also have the bigger one (35") and it's one of my favourite planes. BTW, both of them have scale dihedral and ailerons. (Who was so excited about a Dr.1 with ailerons?)

Edi 12-26-2005 11:49 PM

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Ah yes, to quote the other extreme: Here is my whole other fleet and the Aerodromerc Fokker D.VIII (prototype).

Oldpilot 12-27-2005 12:15 AM

EDi.
Love the pics of your D-V111. What span is it. I have just received the plans for the 1/4 scale (84") version by David Johnson. Didn't realise just how BIG this is. The plans call for a Zenoah G-38 engine, but I want to power it with a big outrunner brushless and GP 3300 NiMh packs as I don't want it to be too light. There is nothing worse than a big light draggy plane which won't penetrate in a decent wind.

Rhondas 12-27-2005 12:16 AM

nice fokkers
 

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 32014)
Ah yes, to quote the other extreme: Here is my whole other fleet and the Aerodromerc Fokker D.VIII (prototype).

Nice airplanes .:) notice in the picture my friends fokker in the far backround, that plane flew well and has a gas fugi engine.

Edi 12-27-2005 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by Oldpilot (Post 32017)
EDi.
Love the pics of your D-V111. What span is it. I have just received the plans for the 1/4 scale (84") version by David Johnson. Didn't realise just how BIG this is. The plans call for a Zenoah G-38 engine, but I want to power it with a big outrunner brushless and GP 3300 NiMh packs as I don't want it to be too light. There is nothing worse than a big light draggy plane which won't penetrate in a decent wind.

The span is 55". Powerplant is an outrunner done by Ralph Okon (www.powerditto.de) and the weight is ca. 1650g which gives me a wing load of about 17 oz. I was a bit worried but the thick high-lift wing makes for a very docile plane which looks very scale in the air and certainly fights with the wind when all the SE5as are sitting scared in the hangar :) Really flies a lot like my Dr.1.

Oldpilot 12-27-2005 12:38 AM

Thanks Edi. That sounds a more reasonable size.
You don't say whether you built it from plans, or a kit. If a kit----where from.

Edi 12-27-2005 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by Oldpilot (Post 32021)
Thanks Edi. That sounds a more reasonable size.
You don't say whether you built it from plans, or a kit. If a kit----where from.

It's the prototype of the Aerodromerc Fokker D.VIII. So it's a kit (a short kit, w.o. stripwood, music wire and such), available from Aerodromerc; www.aerodromerc.com, if you are in Europe www.aerodromerc.de, are the possible sources. However, you can also get the plan and build it from plans. The kits are laser-CNC-cut, the plans are CAD-quality. Furthermore, the plans, if sold w.o. the kit, come with neoprene for the tires and with an additional sheet of paper with all the parts plotted out that would be in the kit.

WWI Ace 12-27-2005 01:09 AM

I have the little 20 3/8" ws Fokker triplane from Aerodrome. Great looking kit but I haven't exactly figured out the aileron to rudder coupling yet. I haven't figured out what to use for the return springs. Any ideas? I got the Aerodrome Fokker DVII kit for Christmas along with a Dare Designs Sopwith triplane. Steve.

Rhondas 12-27-2005 01:51 AM

very nice plane

Edi 12-27-2005 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by WWI Ace (Post 32026)
I have the little 20 3/8" ws Fokker triplane from Aerodrome. Great looking kit but I haven't exactly figured out the aileron to rudder coupling yet. I haven't figured out what to use for the return springs. Any ideas?

That's the striped Fokker Dr.1 I have posted pictures of. The return springs were a problem for me, too, right now I am using rubber bands. Kurt meant wrapping thin music wire around a nail would be easiest for springs, but thinner wire than 1/32" is hard to come by here (but I'll get it eventually and switch to springs). The coupling is actually easy, you just need to look at the plans carefully: The ailerons are pulled up with kevlar thread and pulled back with a string or rubber band. Left rudder pulls left aileron and vice versa. I did it on the little Albatros D.II and it works absolutely flawlessly. However, I decided to wedge in another servo so I can make some acrobatics. You can find my build threads on http://www.bengco.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/...num=1133122930 and
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445096 (no build thread for the little Albatros).

scalercflyer 12-27-2005 03:06 AM

Welcome!
 
Welcome EDi! :) It is a pleasure to have you here. I am MOST impressed with your Jasta collection! Tell us all about the other planes you have built. How do they fly, construction tips, hints, etc. I see you are a faithful customer of Kurt's aircraft. They are well designed indeed. I love to see WWI aircraft modeled. :) It is by far the best and most interesting era of aviation history (at least in my opinion). Am I right WWI Ace?! After the Christmas/New Years holidays, I plan get back to building my foamie tripe. Well, maybe if my wife doesn't have anymore brainstorms about new projects!!!! :eek: I have a nice set of plans for a DVIII (69" ws) that I will get to eventually. These plans are from Model Aviation circa 1975. BTW where are you located? :confused: Martin

Edi 12-27-2005 12:25 PM

Thanks for the nice words, Martin. Yes, I am indeed a faithful customer of Kurt, what's more, because there are no resellers in Europe I have decided to become one: It's weird, 1-2 years ago I was browsing the LHS for such designs, they kept telling me that nobody produces such kits and when I showed the Kurt's, no one was interested! So the models are:

Curtiss Canuck (my first one), powered with a Speed 480 1.81:1, 580g, Litespan covered.
Albatros D.II 24", GWS IPS S1, 200g, Litespan (fuse black with red touch-up) needs calm weather of course, but flies like a dream!
Fokker Dr.1 35", motor by Ralph Okon, 950g, Litespan. I had replaces some of the balsa with pine (unnecessarily) so this one came out a bit on the heavy side, but flies just great.
Nieuport Triplane, backstagger conversion from Kurt's N.17, motor by Ralph Okon, 900g. Flew just great but is not quite the same any more after a bad R/C-related crash.
Pfalz A.I, that's the small Morane L with a pimped Yellow-BL and added wing-warping, 400g. If I did it today, I'd definitely change the airfoil to an undercambered one - the flat-bottom airfoil is way to rigid for proper wing-warping, but it still works.
Pfalz Triplane prototype, conversion from Kurt's Pfalz D.IIIa, motor by Ralph Okon, 900g. Basically did longer IP and cabane struts and added a little wing (well, I also shortened the top wing and added ailerons to the bottom wing). Flies very nicely (but then, they all do).

Building tips? Get those kits and build them, they are great! :)


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