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degreen60 10-27-2009 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan Flyer (Post 655949)
Neat! How do you like the Eflite Nieuport? I have been looking at that one but I had been told that it was really flimsy.

Pat

I have the Eflite Jenny and 2 Nieuports. They are flimsy and light. Brace wires are needed. My Jenny will loop and do rudder rolls. I did X bracing on every bay and have a bamboo skewer on the bottom wing of the Jenny. On all planes I did not install servos where shown but installed them with pull-pull controls. I think this saves weight at the tail and looks more scale, also on the Jenny it takes care of the problem with the rudder breaking where the control rod attaches. I built the first Nieuport with just brace wires, changed front wires to match a 17(I don't think the kit matches either a 17 or 11). When I pulled the brace wires tight the bottom wing bowed so I add a bamboo skewer to it. The other Nieuport had the top wing mashed in shipping(I bought both with shipping damage). I coated the top wing with white glue, added a CG strip as a spar, and added a CF rod at the front bottom edge. This made the wing stiff again. The fuselage is thin and will crush if you sqeeze it too hard. I like the way they fly, very slow and relaxing. Landing can be made with almost no forward roll. I am thinking of trying to get a SE5A to go with them. Maybe trade one of the Nieuports to someone that bought 2 of the SE5As like I bought the Nieuports.

4everEngland 10-27-2009 06:30 PM

E-Flight Nieuport 17
 
Yes, it is a flimsy plane, especially the wings. One problem I had with mine is that because of the V-shaped interplane struts it is very easy to mount the top wing with some warp in it. You really have to be careful of this. However, if everything is straight it is a great flyer. Do not let its flimsiness discourage you - it is a very worthy aeroplane.

Ron 10-28-2009 07:38 PM

anyone have any decent colour shots of Lothar's Dr1?? I have found a couple of side views, but am looking for one that has some top showing...
Marty?? I know the markings etc are sorta your specialty...

thanks
ron

dbcisco 10-28-2009 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ron (Post 656344)
anyone have any decent colour shots of Lothar's Dr1??

The yellow one? Like this:

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/files...31.preview.jpg

floss 10-28-2009 08:32 PM

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Heres a three view.

scalercflyer 10-29-2009 01:27 AM

Other schemes
 
Check these out Boys! Floss sent the best pics BTW. Marty

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2007/...Fokker_DrI.php
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2007/...Fokker_DrI.php

scalercflyer 10-29-2009 02:46 AM

My Camel
 
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My Camel. Look like someone else's Camel? My family coat of arms is on the side of the fuse. Marty

**neons** 10-29-2009 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 654359)
Here are lots of printed paper WW1 models. You can download one free every 15 min. I have enlarged these, tile printed, and use to make a foam model. You could even use to make plans for a build up model.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/modelz/wars/ww1_b#top2

Thanks Degreen,
I always love these sites with loads of info. :$ By the way, That Flying Fish is sure gorgeous. That is one nice choice you made.
The pictures are very nice.
**Neons** Bob

degreen60 10-29-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 656468)
My Camel. Look like someone else's Camel? My family coat of arms is on the side of the fuse. Marty

My Wattage Camel is getting close to needing a rebuild. I want to redo it in something different than the green most are painted. Here are some pictures I am thinking of following for a different paint job.

7car7 10-29-2009 05:01 PM

Wow, those are some stunning paint schemes on those camels! LOVE those. The black really makes them pop.

degreen60 10-29-2009 10:07 PM

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Flight line at the Green aerodome.



I can't help myself, it is a sickness. Do they have group meets somewhere? LOL

Ron 10-30-2009 12:44 AM

Floss the pics you sent are somewhat the same as the ones I have, but the top wing on my three view is different....the tips and root are kinda mustard yellowy colour..the panels where the crosses are on the top wing...are OD...and the streaking on the fuselage is not diagonal, it's straight up and down...vertical...and the crosses are a little different....the streaking on the wings is also straight from LE to TE.....but they all agree the cowl is RED hmmm....so is the landing gear and wheels.
Marty..some of those schemes you sent are causing some consternation here...I may need to rethink my paint scheme Hmmmm...or build more than one model......:eek: I have the fuse framed up, sheeted on the sides...ready for top decking, wing mounts, LG hard points and firewall.tail feathers completed, and mid wing almost completed.......man this thing is gonna be B I I I I G G G ..... firewall to end of rudder is 6 feet......horizontal stab is 3 ft wide.....here's the funny part...mid wing is 8 ounces...fuse is 10 so far, and framed up tail feathers is 5 ounces......wonder how much it's gonna weigh when it's finished????? and I wonder how I'm gonna do the streaking?? If it was lozenge, there would be no problem, but I have never seen or heard of a lozenge Dr1.......If I could find one, that would be my choice. Oh yeah Marty..I was gonna put my family coat of arms on the side of my Pup...that is until my wife found out it comprises a hammock and a can of beer :-)

scalercflyer 10-30-2009 04:41 PM

Sickness
 
De, don't even try to fight it! ;) Too much/more is always better than not enough! :D BTW, you are a sick man, just like the rest of us! :eek::D;) Marty

Biplane Murphy 10-30-2009 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 656706)
Flight line at the Green aerodome.



I can't help myself, it is a sickness. Do they have group meets somewhere? LOL

LOL..............The group meets here @ Wattflyer. :D:Q:D

degreen60 10-30-2009 08:05 PM

HELP, the group meetings here are not helping. I am just now finishing a rebuild of my M8 and Fokker DVII. Both have ailerons and took more skill to fly than I had at the time and I crashed them. Now a year later I think my skill has gained to where I can fly them. I have a Dr1 to finish, I am getting ready to cut out of foam a Bristol Bullet M1, and have the plans cut out for a Junkers D1. My wife thinks I am hopeless, I guess after 40 years she should know.

Biplane Murphy 10-30-2009 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 657015)
HELP, the group meetings here are not helping. I am just now finishing a rebuild of my M8 and Fokker DVII. Both have ailerons and took more skill to fly than I had at the time and I crashed them. Now a year later I think my skill has gained to where I can fly them. I have a Dr1 to finish, I am getting ready to cut out of foam a Bristol Bullet M1, and have the plans cut out for a Junkers D1. My wife thinks I am hopeless, I guess after 40 years she should know.

:D:Q:D

My Gal has figured out that I am hopeless too!!!
I think she may have accepted that fact though. :)

scalercflyer 10-30-2009 09:18 PM

Wife
 
Pay her no mind De! :eek: After all, we are the one's who know best what's good for us, not them :eek::D (well at least most of the time) ;). Begin by saying to yourself, "I'm a good person who just happens to have a sickness". :o My Buddys here at Wattflyer help me to hang on. :) I attend the meetings faithfully and I'm getting better....... :D YEAH RIGHT! Marty

scalercflyer 10-30-2009 09:26 PM

Camel redo
 
de, go for the checker board scheme! Boy does it look good!:D You can get trim sheets at your local HS or on line. Also tell me about the Moraine in the picture. It looks sweet! marty

degreen60 10-30-2009 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 657037)
de, go for the checker board scheme! Boy does it look good!:D You can get trim sheets at your local HS or on line. Also tell me about the Moraine in the picture. It looks sweet! marty

I am planing on using a red, white, and blue checker board scheme on my Bristol Bullet M1. Thinking more of using the Camel with the large red design on the side.

The are 2 Moraine in the picture. The I is a built up Peter Rake model someone started and modified with ailerons. I finished the model.

The N is a JR Models made in the Czech Republic. It is foam and a real floater. Here is my build thread. http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46180

floss 10-31-2009 09:13 AM

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Ok here are some pics of a plastic kit in LvR's livery. The top wing is all yellow in this version, it may have been both as colour schemes were often added too and altered over time.The plastic modelling boys are good to get colour schemes off because they put a lot more research into this stuff then we ever will. They can be bothered because there is very little chance that their masterpiece will be dashed into the ground at 30Kph ;)

Steve

scalercflyer 10-31-2009 09:38 AM

LVR's DRI
 
I like it Steve, even if it does have some RED on it. Marty

Ron 11-01-2009 05:01 AM

Steve: that's really good...it too has the two colours on the top wing...guess that's the one.and while we're at it,
hi ....my name's Ron..I'm addicted to WW1 models :-)

floss 11-01-2009 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Ron (Post 657569)
Steve: that's really good...it too has the two colours on the top wing...guess that's the one.and while we're at it,
hi ....my name's Ron..I'm addicted to WW1 models :-)

Hi Ron.......I'm Steve and I feel your pain, I too am addicted to WW1 models.:D

Ryan Flyer 11-01-2009 05:42 PM

Welcome Ron!
Pat

Ron 11-02-2009 09:45 PM

Well...I started to mount wings this last weekend. I have the bottom and mid wings done, and now can make the mounts in the fuselage for them, and do the cabane struts for the top wing when it's built. I decided to have a look at the Williams Bros style vintage wheels in 1/3 size, and was shocked to see that they weigh 20 plus ounces each ::o guess I'm gonna have to make some wheels. and I guess we'll need a pair of 1/3 sized Spandaus....I'm actually really amazed at how quickly this has gone to this stage...ten days of evenings, and I'm starting on the last major piece of the build...all the little nitty things take all the time :rolleyes:...seems you get things framed up fast, then the little stuff takes forever. I figure once the model is framed up, it's about 25% done.

capn chaos 11-02-2009 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by Biplane Murphy (Post 656984)
LOL..............The group meets here @ Wattflyer. :D:Q:D

Yeah...alot better than AA. Nothin but a bunch of quitters there.

degreen60 11-02-2009 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by Ron (Post 656763)
man this thing is gonna be B I I I I G G G ..... firewall to end of rudder is 6 feet......horizontal stab is 3 ft wide

Hi, my name is Don, I am a WW1 RC airplane junky.

I think I make models of your models, lets see my Dr1 fuselage is 21 inches long so that make my model amost 1/3 scale. HAHA

Biplane Murphy 11-03-2009 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by capn chaos (Post 658102)
Yeah...alot better than AA. Nothin but a bunch of quitters there.

HAHAHHAHAHAHHA......Good One!!!

Biplane Murphy 11-03-2009 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 658108)
Hi, my name is Don, I am a WW1 RC airplane junky.

I think I make models of your models, lets see my Dr1 fuselage is 21 inches long so that make my model amost 1/3 scale. HAHA

LOL @ degreen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:Q:D

That was too dang funny!!

scalercflyer 11-03-2009 01:21 AM

The deal of a lifetime
 
Boys, I am going to offer the deal of a lifetime. :eek: I have in my possesion a complete 1/4 scale FOKKER DRI kit ala Nick Zoroli and a framed up 1/4 scale Fokker DRI airframe ala Nick Zoroli that I need to move out of my shop. :) These 2 (plane/kit) take a 2.0 CID gas engine or large glow motor. The airframe has been stripped(not all of it) to gain access to the airframe for repairs which I completed. The framed up airframe is too large to ship :{ but the kit can be shipped :). I also have a RYOBI 2.0CID motor converted for RC use (new, never run) available. :) BTW, I have the plans for the DRI I will throw in with the kit. I had at one time considered flying this big bird but now am only interested in smaller stuff. PM me if anyone is interested or pass this on to someone who may be interested. I will make you a deal you can't refuse. PS pics on demand. Also may be persauded to swap for some items I need/use. Marty

Biplane Murphy 11-03-2009 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 658178)
Boys, I am going to offer the deal of a lifetime. :eek: I have in my possesion a complete 1/4 scale FOKKER DRI kit ala Nick Zoroli and a framed up 1/4 scale Fokker DRI airframe ala Nick Zoroli that I need to move out of my shop. :) These 2 (plane/kit) take a 2.0 CID gas engine or large glow motor. The airframe has been stripped(not all of it) to gain access to the airframe for repairs which I completed. The framed up airframe is too large to ship :{ but the kit can be shipped :). I also have a RYOBI 2.0CID motor converted for RC use (new, never run) available. :) BTW, I have the plans for the DRI I will throw in with the kit. I had at one time considered flying this big bird but now am only interested in smaller stuff. PM me if anyone is interested or pass this on to someone who may be interested. I will make you a deal you can't refuse. PS pics on demand. Also may be persauded to swap for some items I need/use. Marty

OK.....You're killin' me Marty. :(

No funds for more airplanes right now. :(

scalercflyer 11-03-2009 01:30 AM

WWI Ace
 
I wanna know where that triplane flying Texican is! ???? He should be here sharing with us his inner most feelings about being addicted to WWI planes! :eek::D:cool: After all he started it way back when!!!! :D Marty

7car7 11-03-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by capn chaos (Post 658102)
Yeah...alot better than AA. Nothin but a bunch of quitters there.


That's too funny! And yes, we're different. No quitters here, we fall down, and get back up for another flight.

btw, Hi! My name's Chris. I'm addicted mostly to biplanes. I've thought about dabling with a monoplane, but haven't found an "enabler" yet.

scalercflyer 11-03-2009 06:14 PM

The Albatros
 
Tell me about that Albatros Chris. :cool: It's beautiful!!! :$ Marty

7car7 11-03-2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scalercflyer (Post 658359)
Tell me about that Albatros Chris. :cool: It's beautiful!!! :$ Marty

Thank you sir!

It started out as a Cedar Hobbies ARF. It was a pile. Very un-scale shape, and heavy for it's size. It had NO access to the inside for gear, or even a battery. I had to build a hatch on the top where the engine is. I had also originaly re-shaped the nose, it also was very poorly done, very un-scale.
I pretty much learned aileron on that plane, and it was a bad one for it. After a couple good crashes, I decided to completely re-build it.

Everything aft of the hatch was rebuilt just using photos and "3-views". Wings were a file sent to me by Peter Rake (very nice guy), and I re-scaled them, and gave them to a budy who lazer cut them.

Whole plane is covered in Silkspan and Dope. Lozenge was made by puting the tissue on a sheet of paper, and sending it thru the printer.
Fuse is just painted to look like woodgrain. Landing gear is sprung like the real plane, as is the tail skid. Cabane Struts and landing gear is made of Carbon tubing. Interplane struts are balsa with 1/64 ply inside.
Engine and exhaust is depron foam.

All controls, including ailerons, are pull/pull. Single servo with built in differential on ailerons.

Still need to mount a windshield, and put in a paper instrument panel - some day.

WS 32"
AUW (IIRC) 16oz w/ battery.

Ryan Flyer 11-03-2009 07:13 PM

Nice plane 7car7!

Pat

dbcisco 11-03-2009 09:10 PM

Thanks for the inspiration. I just started a G.A.R. Albatros.

details 11-04-2009 12:32 AM

Chris,

When did you turn the GWS Tigermoth into a Gypsy Moth? I was going to do that and ya went and beat me to it.:o

Bravo!:ws:

How about some details and photos?

Thanks,
Dave

scalercflyer 11-04-2009 12:46 AM

Keep us posted
 
db keep us posted on the build. Marty

7car7 11-04-2009 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by dbcisco (Post 658412)
Thanks for the inspiration. I just started a G.A.R. Albatros.

I'll be watching for that one!


Originally Posted by details (Post 658477)
Chris,

When did you turn the GWS Tigermoth into a Gypsy Moth? I was going to do that and ya went and beat me to it.:o

Bravo!:ws:

How about some details and photos?

Thanks,
Dave

Thanks! I think I did this one about 1 year ago. Not really a true Gypsy, I did just the nose. The wings are still swept back like a Tiger Moth.

Here's a zoom of the nose. It was made from a 2 liter pop bottle.
I keep thinking I need to "finish" this one. Needs some lettering on the wings, and the un-authentic wood color on the cabanes needs to go away.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...0_24_08010.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...0_24_08014.jpg


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