WattFlyer RC Electric Flight Forums - Discuss radio control eflight

WattFlyer RC Electric Flight Forums - Discuss radio control eflight (https://www.wattflyer.com/forums/index.php)
-   WWI Era (https://www.wattflyer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70)
-   -   WWI planes (https://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259)

Franny 03-29-2007 06:10 PM

Great Brad! Glad to hear you got some fun flights. I look forward to the photos. Ya know, the DRI in the Real Flight Sim (Add-On Vol 2) flies very well with no bad habits. We'll see if that is really the case this weekend (hopefully). So now I'll have two of you on my six! No worries... I'm ready!


WWI Ace 03-30-2007 12:24 AM

Hey Franny I fly that tripe on the sim too. The electric and nitro version. Actually flies close to the way my Polks Hobbies .25 size electric tripe flies!! If you go to www.knifeedge.com you can download Steve Shumates DR1 parkflyer. It has six ailerons and will hover if you dial in about 3mph worth of wind!!! Hope you get to fly this weekend. We had tornadoes in the area last night but it's supposed to settle down by Saturday!! I hope!!! Steve.

Bub Steve 03-30-2007 02:51 AM

ground crew spy'in
2 Attachment(s)
Fanny: I got some ground crew spy'in on dem bad old S.E.5a's! Vital Info in route!, Good luck on your 2'nd Maiden, your bub, stevecooper,P,S, pixs looked like you took it pretty well to me,

BradT 03-30-2007 07:08 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Franny, I have to compliment you on the DR1 build, I've been remiss in not doing so earlier. I really like your choice of colour sceme, it's nice to see something other than the usual camo or red layouts.

Steve's comment about the el. throw seen in pic 3 of post 1070 made me go back for a closer look, and I see that the ailerons are also at what looks like full throw, in the direction that the plane is already rolling. Are you absolutely SURE that they're not reversed? Please double check, at least for MY peace of mind:o .

I've flown a friend's DR1 several times, and found it a delightful model, stable and predictable, yet very aerobatic. Of course, he had it thoroughly dialled in by the time he was silly enough to let me have at it. It's much larger, at about 30% scale, so that probably helped the stability, too. It's the one in the middle in the attached pics, and makes my 75" D VII look small!

Franny 03-30-2007 04:13 PM

Wow!!! That really is great!! So, is that a D6 on the end? AerodromeRC has a D6 kit as well. I love that lineup. That will give those SE5s a run for their money... Just beautiful.

Yeah, that is a funny picture... The ailerons look reversed, but I checked them before I gave it a go. That picture was snapped about 3/4 of a second before it went plop. Still, I will double and triple check it. It was just fine on the bench the othr night and the throws have been cut down quite a bit. I try not to rely on dual rates as my receiver only has six model memories. I have to doule and tripple up for all that I have but a lot of them are only three channel, so that helps. I am looking at the the new Spektrum DX7 which has 20 memories.

That is good to hear that your DRI is very stable. That is what I have found with the simulator. In my experience, an unstable model that is built well, and designed well, and *should* fly probably has the CG off a bit. Funny thing about physics... It kind of goes both ways. The weather still looks good for Sunday. We got about 6" of snow yesterday in a spring snowstorm, but I bet it is just mush in a couple days. I'll let you know!



Franny 03-30-2007 04:25 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Oh, Brad,

About that color scheme... So I did some research and came across the "Raben" scheme and the examples I found were that blue and white. I fell in love with it and just had to do it so I went out and picked up the two blues, the white and black. When I was about half way through the covering, I read that the actual colors were red and white (like yours). I guess that there were some actual pieces of blue fabric that were attributed to his airplane, but were later rejected as his. In B&W photos, the blue and red have similar gray levels. That and I believe they were initially shipped with that robin blue on the bottom surfaces. Anyway, while not being historically correct, I still really like it. The larger , next one will be yellow and black as in the end of Waldo Pepper. That is a hot look too. Here are a few photos I used for reference...


BradT 03-31-2007 04:39 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Franny, I've seen a drawing of your DR1 in that colour before, though I can't recall where at the moment. My "Raben" scheme on the D VII was copied from the cover of the Windsock Datafile book.

Another possibility for the extreme throws on ail. and el. in your pic could be a severe radio hit, or glitch from a faulty crystal, affecting those channels. Certainly worth checking out before committing that beauty to the air again.

Yes, that is Ron Dodd's D VI on the left in those photos, scratch built from his own plans, at 22.5% scale, the same as my D VII. All of the planes in those pics are scratch built, except for the 25% Eindekker on the right. The 2 DR1s are both built from Ron's plans, the one on the left built by Al Gross, from the Seattle area, the other built by Ron, then my D VII, built from some enlarged and modified plans published in a Brit Mag about 8 years ago, and the Eindekker kit, from one of the well known US sellers, the name of which escapes me right now:confused: (edit:Balsa USA kit). I'll add a couple more pics of Ron's D VI below:

scalercflyer 04-01-2007 10:28 PM

Hey Brad. I have a set of plans for the DVI in 2" to 1 foot scale.:) They appear to be overly complex. :mad: I may build her with a much more simplified structure. How does your Buddies fliy? Martin

scalercflyer 04-01-2007 10:30 PM

BTW Brad, Where is the cockpit on the DVI??? Martin

Bub Steve 04-01-2007 10:31 PM

Zebera Lost It's Stripes?
4 Attachment(s)
Steve, I have'nt got the stripe'in for the zebra worked out yet, any ideas out there on pait'in mono-coat? I fear the extra pound'age of do'in it in more iron-on as a zebra has a bunch of stripes, I'm just gonna go with the try'ed in true STEAM-BOAT WILLY theme! your bub,stevecooper

BradT 04-02-2007 03:44 AM

Ah, you noticed that, Martin.;) The pics in post 1087 were taken the day Ron maidened the model, and he had not yet got to that bit. If you look carefully at the group photos in #1084, you can just make out that there is now a cockpit, complete with pilot, wearing the obligatory white scarf. The D VI flies very well, as do all of Ron's planes, very predictable, with no bad habits, yet lots of power for more than scale flight envelope. His planes, and my own D VII, designed and built as per Ivan Pettigrew's mantra of "add lightness, take off more weight, then sand some more off", tend to fly like king-size park fliers; slow, maneuverable, but not underpowered. None of our large scale bipes/tripes have exceeded 13 oz/sq.ft. with Nicad/Nimh packs, so take offs, on a breezy day, look more like levitation than flight:cool: .

Franny 04-02-2007 04:31 PM

Hi All,

Well, I got a chance to re-maiden the DRI this weekend and it flew great! It is still a little sensitive on the roll, but it really did track well and can turn on a dime! Sorry, no photos as the wind got nasty and I had to store everything in the car and go home. Even my chair started to blow away! Anyway, thanks for all the help! Next time out I'll get several inflight photos.



BradT 04-03-2007 04:58 AM

Wonderful news, Franny. There can never be too many WW I models flying! Glad to hear you got the bugs worked out. A little expo, or reduced throw, on the ailerons should have you in great shape. I took the SE5 to the field yesterday afternoon, but the weather wasn't co-operating, with wind, rain, and hail alternating for several hours, so all the guys went to the soccer clubhouse at the end of our field for coffee and Baileys to warm up. Not much point in trying to fly after that!

Spoonwasher 04-03-2007 05:16 AM

way to Franny...I was sure you'd get things worked out.Winds are up here ,forcasted 20/30 km all week so we'll be hiding in the hanger.With all the Folkers in the air, it might be a little crouded ...lol.Nice planes guys.Good job on the SE5 Steve....but I think we're out numbered...lol...i will tone down my aileron throw before zi maiden my SE5...I suspected the aircraft might be a little tweaky with all that trow, especially with ailerons on both wings,....It rained here sunday, so I fiddled with my planes and installed a wireless router so i could network to my new laptop.I want to try onboard video later this flying season,then, review at the field...video a dogfight or two maybe ...lol

sailr 04-03-2007 02:16 PM

I just built one of the new Lanier SE-5's. Haven't flow it yet though. Really a good quality ARF for only $89.99. Amazing. It's a 37.5" wingspan. I also have their Fokker DVII still in the box. I'm using one of the new STORM 2726-1000 motors in it. Should be a great flyer!The only bad thing is the UGLY pilot that comes with it. Looks like an Alien! I substituted a different pilot I picked up somewhere along the way. You can see the airplanes on the Lanier website at www.lanierrc.com

Franny 04-03-2007 06:44 PM

Thanks guys,

I'll get some photos... Looks like rain this weekend (our one rainy weekend for the year) but that could change in an instant. If we get blue skies, I might get the Taube back up. Sure do love flying that one too.



Kiwikid 04-04-2007 12:23 AM

6 Attachment(s)
Hi guys (and Franny), finished the DH1 (to a flying state) a couple of days ago and had a nice morning today so did the maiden. I've done this about 25 times now, but I'm still a nervous wreck. Off and on it took me three months to build the DH1, the most time I have ever invested in a model so I was rather relieved when she just climbed away as though it was the hundredth flight.
It flies brilliantly with excellent control responses. With 4 ailerons and the tail controls right in the slipstream she is very agile. Does nice loops but is a bit reluctant to roll - more likely a technique I will have to learn. It does pretty well though as I guess the original was never designed to roll at all.
I don't like anyone around when I do my maidens so I haven't got any flight pics. Some ground shots below together with my trusty Moraine-Saulnier N (actually a crusty old Little Stick) that I flew first to get my eye in.
I still have alot of finishing work to do - top surface will be the olive green colour you can see on the top of the tail fin and I have some nice 1/12 decals for it. Will post some flying pics once she's prettied up.


dicknadine 04-04-2007 02:30 AM

good work
congratulations. you sure do good work. what covering do you use?? am in the process of ripping off the nice dark red fabric off of my pair of 43" Fokker's, D-7 and the 1919, 2 passenger C2, went on super with glue stick, however when I applied clear dope, it wrinkled up and made it look blotchy. so start over again, probably useing super thin Red Coverite, which I know it will take the thin dope. when they are complete, then I will start on the 1 off, 2 open cockpit version. was built to fly he and his girl friend out of Germany before the Russians showed up. all will be electric powered. dick stamm

Kiwikid 04-05-2007 01:56 AM

Thanks Dick, the Little Stick was covered in Oracover, in hindsight this was a bit heavy but it was really easy to work with, has a nice canvasy look to it and is very strong. The DH1 was a semi ARF kit that came with the wings already covered. Some pics in post 1044.


Franny 04-05-2007 04:29 PM

Hi Kiwi,

I really like your little stick. I bet that is a fun and reliable flyer - the kind you always bring and always fly. I have a "Li'l Gasser" I converted that I use for that. It calms my nerves and gives me a great indication as to the conditions at the field. Are you going to re-cover the DH1? Is it from the same company the sells that translucent orange Tiger Moth? Looks like a great little fleet!


Spoonwasher 04-05-2007 09:26 PM

Nice finish on the DH1 Kiwi. I did notice that stick of yours too.I have a .60 glow equiped stick and was thinking of making it more like an Endecker III, add a cowl over the engine, a few flying wires and presto, we have a sport scale Endecker....LoL.I like your little stick, and I think it has a Nippy "E" motor from what I can make out in the picture. Been thinking of making a small "E" version stick for general flying. I have a brushess motor & controller without a home for the moment..maybe I'll make one up from depron anf see what happens.

Kiwikid 04-05-2007 09:44 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Thanks Franny, yes the Little Stick gets alot of use and is actually quite a good aerobatic plane. The DH1 is from LX models which is the company I think you were referring to. Their models are quite nice but come in some hideous colours. I managed at least to get a green DH1 and just intend to paint the upper surfaces. You can't see it on the pics but I have already done the undersurfaces the pale yellow canvas colour that is on the fuse. I have found that the Tamiya acylics designed to paint the inside of car bodies work really well on film covering as they stick well and are designed to be flexible. The DH1 kit is a semi ARF and not a difficult build. I had alot of fun nutting everything out, not the least of which was the "instruction book" (heres an example of how we install the entire control system: "Arrangement pushrod. Put the protection materials. Heat the shrink tube. Be careful do not make iron reaches the wood" and we are done!!) Heres a couple of pics of a blue one that show how it all goes together.


50+AirYears 04-05-2007 09:53 PM

Looks a LOT easier than the one in the Flying Models plan I have. Especially in not having to cut out 88 identical wing ribs.

Electric is definetly the way to go with this type of pusher.

Kiwikid 04-05-2007 10:25 PM

Hi Spoonwasher. I can't take credit for the finish on the DH1 (yet) as it is an ARF as mentioned above. The Little Stick was just my second balsa kit build and I made a boo boo as I was intending to put the motor (a Hyperion HP Z3007-26 by the way) inside the fuse , but then found that I would have to add 1 and a half oz of lead to balance the model. Fixed this just by bolting it to the outside of the firewall. What I should have done was made the fuse longer so have a play around with your balancing. I have seen some guys do some quite nice conversions of some of the ARF Little Stick type models that are around like the E-Flite Ultra Stick :

I intend to do something about cowling up the front of the fuse, but that job is a bit down the que at the moment as I am actively flying about 20 planes: http://www.rcuniverse.com/gallery/galleryCat.cfm?memberID=158340
(with associated repairs) and working on two or three new ones all the time.

Good luck with your build.


degreen60 04-09-2007 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by WWI Ace (Post 169219)
Hey degreen60 I had one of those Camels!!! Built it stock and it flew SO SLOW!!! The only thing I had against it was the landing gear pulled off every time I landed in grass. As far as the turn and crash have you figured out what caused it? If you haven't you might check to see if one of the wings are twisted. If I remember right it was easy to do if the struts were not lined up well. But I'm sure you knew that, just tryin' to help if ya need it. You'll like what a relaxed flyer it is when you get it dialed in. Steve.

Got the Camel flying this morning. I think the turn was cause by lower wing glue joint not holding at strut. Now I will add the landing gear I made for it and get rid of the wire one that came with the plane. Those Fokker triplane better be alert when flying, the Camel is on the prowl.

Spoonwasher 04-11-2007 01:19 PM

Hi Kiwi...I found a little e stick at Hobby Lobby so I ordered it.I think I need that 12 step program for RC , cause I just can't leave a pretty little plane on the shelf.Confessions of an RC addict !..lol...I too have got at least 20 planes flying on the go and still building.I just like building in the winter months as much as flying,but when good weather arrives, I want don't want to be cooped up inside,but out doors relaxing, flying at the field or out at the lake.
I didn't get the chance yet to build the cowl for my giant stick as I need to buy a 2 liter soda for the bottle.then shrink it down to a mold/plug for what I want.The way the weather is here right now,I still have time though before we get flying.

Spoonwasher 04-11-2007 01:50 PM

Kiwi -I see also you have a few wings built and flying,like the Horten Wing and a couple of others. I'm going to race at another club this year,their club racer is a coroplast delta wing,powered by an OS LA 15 glow.They provided the kit for $20, you build it and come and race with their guys at there club on tuesday evenings throughout the summer.So to improve on my piloting skills & teach myself how to program and fly these , I thought I'd try it. The racer is almost complete and I should be able to maiden it this week or weekend. Now for practice I made a copy in an "e" version from Blue folding foam with a GWS geared motor.This will help me learn to program my radio first before I worm burn the racer into the grass.Once I get flying this type of aircraft and mixing in my skills, I can move to my favorite plane and build it and fly it, an Avro Arrow.Once I figure I'm comfortable with the "V" type wings and Delta aircraft, I'll clear the build bench, break into the wallet and build the aircraft that has inspired me in airplanes since I saw the first one fly as a kid with my grandfather at Malton Airport, close to the A.V.R.O.E. factory in Toronto area.My Gramps worked in Toronto for Smith Transport and would take me for a burger and we would sit by the airstrip and watch the planes take off.He had a real knack for showing us things that would inspire and motivate us.But it was a long time ago....may he R.I.P.
Keep up the great work Kiwi, I love your planes and your posts

degreen60 04-11-2007 08:12 PM

I have some TIF & JPG files of WW1 unit markings. Some are in color and others in black and white. Also have TIF file of wheel cover. If anyone wants a copy of the files let me know. Don

Bub Steve 04-11-2007 08:47 PM

gun & exsaust kit from my SEa5
3 Attachment(s)
Does any one need the gun & exsaust kit from my SEa5, I changed the theme a bit a do'nt need them, P,M, me or E-mail me your add, (I'll take care of postage or what-ever)ya'll's bub, stevecooper

Kiwikid 04-11-2007 10:25 PM

5 Attachment(s)
Hi Spoonwasher, racing with the flying wings sounds like fun. I have done a bit of pylon racing with my Strykers and some mates Strykers. Alot of fun but you really have to focus on your model so you don't loose it on crossovers and start trying to fly someone elses! I have had a hankering to build an Arrow for some time after seing the CBC movie The Arrow. Such a tragedy that the bungling beauracrats killed a stella performer that was ahead of its time. Theres quite a few vids on YouTube that convinced me that I've got to do one. So many models and so little time.
Back on topic! After three freakin months I finally finished the DH1 last night. A big ol hairy legged storm front is just moving in so I won't be flying for awhile. Thought I'd post some pics now and do some flight shots later. The finishing touches added an extra 1.25 oz to the flying weight compared to the maiden flight weight, but had to be done. My dog came sniffing around so snuck into one of the pics. The final pic is of the next twinkle in my eye - a Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker.


degreen60 04-12-2007 01:36 PM

4 Attachment(s)
Here are some pictures of my Wattage Camel. It flys real nice. I made several mods to the plane. It has brushless motor, I did not even waste time installing original motor and gearbox. Installed cf strip in both wings and flying wires for strength. Used the wires to pull about 1 inch dihedral in top wing. Glued front cabane struts at upper front joint so they don't move. Run stiff wire from upper front to lower aft cabane struts that unplugs at aft end for wing removal. Shorten outer struts at lower aft end 3/16th. Made new landing gear and wheels. Controls are pull-pull. Cowl held on with magnets with wooden pins for alinement. Has 6 nicad AA batteries installed under cowl. No extra weight needed for balance. Painted bottom of wings tan with thined acrylic paint. Give entire plane a wash of 25% brown acrylic paint, 75%(ruff guess) water with about 5 drops of liquid soap added. Now where is Chellie and that triplane?

Spoonwasher 04-12-2007 02:14 PM

Thanks kiwi
Hi Kiwi....I pylon raced GWS warbirds last season and it was a ball.when another local club saw what we were up to, they brought out their program with the deltas.They got together and made up about 40 Delta kits,sell them for $20 to cover materials, you add motor radio and colour and race for $5 per evening. Pretty cheap fun.Motor requirement is a stock OS LA 15.I made a FFF foam replica for practicing and intial training for myself as my JR computer programable radio is quite complex , too many options to learn quickly,but we're picking away ay it slowly.Racing the Delta wings should help teach me about the design and what it takes to fly and program delta wing type aircraft.
Now if your interested, I have some design plans for a couple of Avro's,one in depron,and one in balsa as pusher/prop models.I figured these would help in testing the design and determining CG which is not on the plans.Once that is done, make a biggie with ducted fans.
Well thisis getting a little off topic, so I'll just say that I love the wires on your DH1,the entire project looks really scale.I think I'm gonna have to build one...lol...
I'll throw a couple of pics in of the racer and the test foamy.

Spoonwasher 04-12-2007 02:18 PM

delta racers for kiwi
3 Attachment(s)
here's a couple of pic's of the racer & practice wing:)

Spoonwasher 04-12-2007 02:21 PM

If you want the Avro files Kiwi, just e mail me and I'll send them direct so we don't clutter up the WW1 thread.

Kiwikid 04-13-2007 10:20 PM

Thanks, e-mail sent.

Spoonwasher 04-15-2007 12:40 PM

plans for kiwi
1 Attachment(s)
I tried to e mail you directly kiwi,but it wouldn,t let me add an attachment for the plans.I'll try here

Spoonwasher 04-15-2007 12:48 PM

well I managed a couple of flights in ,they were quick, cold and breezy.Not a good day for the maiden of my SE5...It got as far as the landing strip, but sensibility grabbed me and I returned the little beauty back to the hanger.We did get sunshine for a couple of hours but the wind came with it. SOON a good day is coming SOON.

Kiwikid 04-15-2007 09:13 PM

Thanks for that, looks like a nice project. Incidentally, the CG is on the plan and is shown below the fuse at around the point where the tail meets the fuse. Might turn out to be a little ahead of that as it seems a bit far back. Always better to be a bit nose heavy for a maiden flight.



Kiwikid 04-16-2007 01:45 AM

5 Attachment(s)
Hang in there Spoonwasher the weather can't stay crap forever. The front that put paid to my flying passed on overnight and I was able to nip out this morning for a fully dressed up photo shoot with the DH1. Some pics below.
Some more are in a blog entry here:

and some grainy little vids can be seen here:


scalercflyer 04-16-2007 03:56 PM

Gotta have one
Great Planes Fokker Dr.1 Triplane WWI EP ARF http://www2.gpmd.com/image/g/gpma1142.jpg

Well, everyone, here is the latest release from Great Planes via Tower Hobbies due out the end of April. $100.00 too!!! :D I gotta get one! Of course that hideous red scheme just has to go!! :mad: And that rudder is going on a diet too when I get this bird! It's WAY too big! :D I intent to paint her like the tripe in the Great Waldo Pepper. See Tower website for a nice video and instruction manual. Steve, don't listen to Mom! You NEED ANOTHER TRIPE! Martin

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:01 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.

Page generated in 0.07068 seconds with 7 queries