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degreen60 01-09-2007 11:17 PM

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I hope the picture are here this time.

reddevil1111 01-10-2007 01:23 AM

ok clue me in on how you did that pls?! I cant figure out how to post photos on here...

degreen60 01-10-2007 02:03 AM

I had to do 2 things. One was get a screen up to type into that had a paper clip in the controls, that lets you attach a file. Second thing I had to do was make my picture files smaller. If the files are too large the program does not tell you it just don't work.

degreen60 01-10-2007 02:04 AM

Oh yes, quick reply does not have the paper clip.

CarreraGTSCS 01-10-2007 03:53 AM

Martin-- I'm located just outside of Princeton. I'm about 5 or 6 minutes from the University. How about you?

As for the Dr 1, I have to dig it out and possibly post it here but I've found a scheme that appeals to me. If I remember correctly it's one of the yellow tailed Jastas. Can't remember which at the moment.

Mike

scalercflyer 01-14-2007 09:44 AM

Location
 
Mike, I'm in the area of Voorhees/Cherry Hill. I'd like to invite you to fly with me this year. :D Our club is located in Marlton NJ http://www.sjsf.org/ Bring something WWI so we can mix it up! Also Mike PM me and maybe we can exchange phone numbers. Would love to chat (only if you want). I don't know about you other Guys, but I need to buckle down and do some building! :) It's a toss up between building something from a kit or from plans. :confused: I have many nice plans to pick from so it's hard to decide. Perhaps you Boys would decide for me. :) I hear Steve has been enjoying the balmy ice storms in TX so I know he has plenty of time to build! Or maybe his wife has him buried doing Honey Do's and he can't build. Which is it Steve? Ha Ha! Welcome degreen 60! Happy to have you with us! Nice job on the planes! WWI nuts! You gotta love 'em! :D :D Martin

Jakeluke 01-15-2007 11:27 PM

What Glue for Wooden Undercarriage?
 
Maybe one or more of you can help me. I'm building a model of the Sikorsky Grand, and it incorporates an undercarriage which, on the prototype, was apparently made of wood, probably oak. It consists of two parts, 3 sticks in a more or less "N" pattern under each wing, and a similar section of 6 sticks in an "WI" pattern under the fuselage. On their lower sides they attach to skids, which were originally wooden, but which I have made of aluminum.
My problem is what glue to use to glue the sticks (which are 1/8 by 1/4 inch oak) together, and to glue them to the skids.
I tried glueing the sticks with 30 minute epoxy, but they broke apart rather easily when I stressed them in tension.
Next I tried Gorilla Glue, which, subjectively, withstood more pulling that the epoxy, so those assemblies I Gorilla glued to the skids. As I was fitting one of the WI assemblies to the fuselage, one of the upper glue joints split, and then I found the sticks would pull away from the skis rather easily, also. But that was on only 1 assembly. The other three seem to be holding up better.
Length of my glue lines between sticks in about 1/4 inch.
Any suggestions as to what glue, or even to another method of building?

degreen60 01-15-2007 11:35 PM

I "sew" the joint with thread then use CA with a kicker.

Gary in Fla 01-16-2007 01:22 AM

Lozenge Camo
 
Hi Gang,
On the topic of WW1 machines... I was wondering if anyone has done or located any Lozenge camo covering for the GP Fokker D7?

TIA
Gary:cool:

reddevil1111 01-16-2007 02:54 AM

Check out Arizona aircraft models they have scale fabric in 3,4 and 5 color lozenge.

Ron 01-16-2007 04:02 AM

i did mine in lozenge..I recovered the aft section of the fuselage with red monokote, and then went nuts with sharpie pens..did the fuselage and wings...it actually turned out really good..I just freehanded the shapes.
I have done this ( freehand lozenge) several times on larger WW1 Fokkers, and it really gets the point across well. and the best part is it's cheap to do. It isn't difficult, and doesn't take long...couple evenings.

Mongo40 01-16-2007 07:10 PM

Was reading one of the RC magazines this weekend and there's a guy in there showing how he makes Lozenge coverings for his planes using his inkjet printer at home, just can't remember which magazine it was.
Chris

Ron 01-16-2007 07:19 PM

Gary in fla..check post 42 in the Fokker thread here........it shows the little D Vll in lozenge

reddevil1111 01-17-2007 11:10 PM

Ron,
When I heard about your using markers on monokote I kinda had a lot of doubts. I had visions of "hokie" and "yuckie" ... then I looked at the thread you mentioned. WOW! its definatly RED and CAMO...lol! I REALLY like it and I admire the finished results!
I am impressed! But do you have to touch up the job? Does the marker wipe off? It seems like a lot of work! Either way, ITS COOL!

50+AirYears 01-17-2007 11:31 PM

Mongo, I think that may have been Feb or March MAN. I also seem to have recently read they have downloadable scalable files so you can print your own lozenge covering if you have a color printer.

Ron 01-17-2007 11:53 PM

Red D.....i haven't had the marker come off yet, but then it's a little soon to tell..i am planning to put a water base varnish spray overcoat on it.
It took a little time to come up with an overcoat that has no acetone, propane or toluine in it....that stuff makes the marker run...but no touchups so far.and it's cheaper and easier than using pre printed fabric...you don't have to worry about matching up all the joins.

Gary in Fla 01-18-2007 03:37 AM

Lozenge Camo
 
Hi Gang,
Thanks for the replies. Ron, I was trying to locate the #42 post but I got no luck. This thread stops at #39 or is it located on another thread?
One of the ideas that came to mind is to paint the lozenge camo on. I have an article from a plastic model mag. that has a template to make the patterns. My idea was to scan this into my computer and enlarge it (it is 1/48 scale) to match the wings. Print this on frisket paper once the appropriate holes are cut out. One issue that I see is that the lower wings are in red. Another idea was to recover the wings in one of the colors and then only use the pattern to paint on the remainder of the colors. Just thinkin' out loud on this one.

TIA
Gary

Ron 01-18-2007 05:17 AM

Gary: On Pages 23 and 24 in this thread you will find a how to do it for lozenge complete with photos it was done by a guy who has done lots of lozenge schemes..I've seen them up close and they look very authentic...the small Fokker D V11 is pictured on page 2 of electrifly Fokker......... The D V111 on pages 23 and 24 and a couple other pages in this thread won best of show at the last two fly ins it was at.

degreen60 01-18-2007 11:25 PM

Go here http://www.aerodromerc.com/. Says you can download free and print on decal paper. I have not tried it. Don

Gary in Fla 01-19-2007 04:13 AM

Lozenge Camo
 
Hey Ron,
I found the photos. Nice work... So, do you recomend that I remove the covering and recover in one of the lighter colors of the lozenge? I was thinking about scuffing up the covering with some steel wool and then laying out the color schemes for painting. How well does that paint stick on the covering?

Regards
Gary

Ron 01-22-2007 01:02 AM

Gary...the tole paint sticks just fine on solartex..I used a spray varnish to seal it after it was all painted...the cowl is also done in tole paint....
freehand no masking. :eek:
I have only used oil based paints on monokote type covering...it seems to hold fairly well...the Dr1 is going into it's 7th season, and so far has not needed a paint touch up.

scalercflyer 01-25-2007 02:47 AM

Lozenge Camo site
 
Try this out Boys. I think you'll like it. Martin
http://www.wwiaviation.com/lozenge.shtml

reddevil1111 01-25-2007 02:36 PM

I took the history test. A sad 9 out of 20! And I thought I was good at aircraft id?! lol

MacMyers 01-25-2007 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by reddevil1111 (Post 144592)
I took the history test. A sad 9 out of 20! And I thought I was good at aircraft id?! lol

I only got 8. :(

robinairerc 01-25-2007 04:13 PM

Glueing oak.
 

Originally Posted by Jakeluke (Post 138314)
Maybe one or more of you can help me. I'm building a model of the Sikorsky Grand, and it incorporates an undercarriage which, on the prototype, was apparently made of wood, probably oak. It consists of two parts, 3 sticks in a more or less "N" pattern under each wing, and a similar section of 6 sticks in an "WI" pattern under the fuselage. On their lower sides they attach to skids, which were originally wooden, but which I have made of aluminum.
My problem is what glue to use to glue the sticks (which are 1/8 by 1/4 inch oak) together, and to glue them to the skids.
I tried glueing the sticks with 30 minute epoxy, but they broke apart rather easily when I stressed them in tension.
Next I tried Gorilla Glue, which, subjectively, withstood more pulling that the epoxy, so those assemblies I Gorilla glued to the skids. As I was fitting one of the WI assemblies to the fuselage, one of the upper glue joints split, and then I found the sticks would pull away from the skis rather easily, also. But that was on only 1 assembly. The other three seem to be holding up better.
Length of my glue lines between sticks in about 1/4 inch.
Any suggestions as to what glue, or even to another method of building?

Oak is a high density wood, and high density wood doesn't absorb adhesives very well. Scratching or roughing up the surfaces to be glued does help. Lee W. Palm Beach.


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