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Ron 12-16-2006 06:39 PM

Steve....Martin doesn't like red planes?? since when ?? :confused:

He's gonna just love my D V11...it's black, orange, purple and rrrrrrrrrrrrrred :D :eek: I'm just starting to put it together this weekend...hopefully pics for you tomorrow evening.

Red D....Just build it and you will find that the scale details that you want to put in will just sorta happen, and as long as you get the overall effect, it will turn out fine. ....Don't make the mistake of deciding to do every little stitch or bolt head as it makes the model 1...heavy and 2...you will have spent so much time on building it that you won't want to fly it for fear of crashing it. If the model doesn't have ailerons, then perhaps you should consider adding them...and being an older model, I suppose it doesn't....EV / D V111 models I have read about usually are not too much fun to fly without ailerons ( funny things happen in the turns ) :eek:
Mine flies ok, ( ailerons) but was a little finnicky to get the C/G right on. It seems to be very sensitive to C/G movement even small ones.
It is a great looking model though. I designed and built a 1/5 scale one some years ago, and liked it so much that I did it last year in 1/4 scale.
Mostly guys who see it fly...and the very few I've let have the sticks comment on how it really isn't as wicked as the one they had, or flew a couple times.....I'm thinking as a small model, it might be a little touchy.
Did a couple smaller ones many years ago, and they weren't very successful...they were designed by well known modelers too.
The main thing is keep it light and if it looks like what it's supposed to be when it's flying, it's a " scale " model. If it's kept as light as possible, you have a much better chance of success as it will fly better.
You will find the guys here helpful where they have expertise and they are very willing to share it with everyone. Hope the build is as much fun for you as they are for the rest of us.

scalercflyer 12-19-2006 04:07 AM

There you go again Guys!
If I could strangle you, Ron and Steve, I would! :mad: Imagine! More RED planes! :mad: :mad: The very thought makes me sick! You Guys should be encouraging the newbies to try another camo scheme besides RED! :D No imagination I say! :eek: Red D go for it! Just promise to keep us informed of the build. As Steve said I have tons of reference materials to research that NON-RED aircraft you are building. :D The kits Steve was referring to are Ben Buckle Fokker DVIIIs made in the 80s (sse below). I'm waiting on mine so I can do a simultaneous build with Steve (get off your tail Steve!). I also have started a 69" WS Fokker DVIII from MA plans. Yeah Yeah I know.... I owe you 2 Guys some plans... it's just that they keep slipping my mind! I must be getting old! One of these days!

reddevil1111 12-19-2006 06:44 AM

nice job on your D-VIII !
I love that color scheme! I am thinking if doing this Earl Sthal kit as a fun scale not trying to make a ton of improvements to a 1941 kit. I am clueless as to how I am going to make the wing removable ...the kit is shown with a spar/rubberband combo to hold it together... SEE? there I go wanting scale...lol
I just need to get this one done, find a more scale kit and go forward. I see a Ben kit is on ebay for only 51 usd currently....hmmmm....I am a fan of bigger kits like 1/4 and 1/3 scale....maybe a busa kit or maybe I can get a Glenn Torrance kit if my wife dosent see the cost...lol (yeah an hell is gettin cold...lol)
Any tips on building you would like to share I am ALWAYS a sponge...pm me photos if you can. Thanks, Dan

reddevil1111 12-19-2006 06:58 AM

Did I mention my wife is from Jersey? (I hope that explains a lot) I am thinking about doing losenge on the fuse and underside of the wing. And doing a black and white stripe on the rest.
Another color might be a silver blue all over with circles of different colors all over. with an all white tail.
or green tail with losenge everywhere else (a racing green color)
This is all so far down the road that I should have a few more weeks to think about it( I build rather quickly...or, I used to...lol)
I have a birthday(today)and my daughters is the 22nd then xmas and new year...then I will become a builder again I should think...but you never know..maybe sooner.
I need a cowl for 1/6 scale. Does anyone have a spare? or a mold for making one where I dont have to pay 40 plus dollars for a stupid cowl? Its enough frustration that I want to buy some aluminum and make one myself! (would not be pretty) lol

50+AirYears 12-19-2006 03:17 PM

There are many more color schemes than just red and the lozenge pattern for German WW I planes. There are many sources of documentation showing various color schemes used on these planes. Many of the squadrons had their own schemes, plus many pilots customized their planes.

scalercflyer 12-20-2006 02:08 AM

DVIII wing attachment
Red D I have a set of plans for the DVIII from MA, year approx 1978. It shows a neat trick to attach/detach the wing. Begin with a tapped block glued into the wing structure. Use an electrical loop connector (automotive). Clean the end of the strut with steel wool and some sand paper (gives the solder a tooth to bite into). Solder the loop to the strut and crimp with pliers. Bend the loop over and secure with the wing with a nylon screw (1/4 X 20, etc). It's super strong and works great (cheap too!). I have more camo schemes than you can shake a stick at. Here's an unusual one. Martin


scalercflyer 12-20-2006 03:01 AM

Ben Buckle kit
Red D bid on that Ben Buckle kit! :D I bought/won 2 BB DVIII kits on E-bay. One I kept and the other I sold to Steve (WWI Ace). It's a nice kit and well worth anything you pay for it. :) It is rare and hard to find. Maybe we can do a triple build together! :D How cool is that! :cool: Steve, pay attention! Since you can't fly outside, you can build inside! :) Check out these links Boys. Martin

reddevil1111 12-20-2006 03:33 AM

Thanks for the links.I had already found them..I even contacted Ed Hamler and sent him an email asking for some help from the SAM builders. No contact from him or the SAM club members yet. I have the orginal kit they are all building replica recut kits from a set of plans someone had. My kit comes with balsa wood, plans, and...um...thats it. Not even a cowl! lol
I am seriously considering adding alerons and sheeting the top of the wing in balsa to resemble the real plane. I would love to see some detailed photos of the install or the wing and its hold down system as well as the spars. I can't figure out the servo box setup either for the wing. I want to try to make this kit electric. I need to make a local friend to help guide some of my mods and ideas. The weight of the kit is something I never had to consider before.
If the BB kit stays cheep Ill snag it. I bought this kit for more than I should have(I really wanted to build a D-VIII) now the BB kit apears and I am kicking myself.
Just so you guys know, the reddevil name, its an old Marine Corps nickname that stuck and its nothing to do with anything else....someone PMed me concerned about the implications of worshiping the devil...lol its nothing to do with that!
I can't say enough about the help and guidance! Thanks to EVERYONE!

scalercflyer 12-20-2006 04:01 AM

Red Devil
SEMPER FI! Thanks for your service to our beloved country. I appreciate all veterans! God Bless you my Friend! Martin

reddevil1111 12-22-2006 12:07 AM

Thanks Martin. Merry Christmas to all of you!

WWI Ace 12-22-2006 12:25 AM

Jarheads!! You gotta love 'em! I was a Army engineer for 4 yrs. Merry Christmas to you redddevil. Martin's right, the BB kit is really cool! Steve.

reddevil1111 12-22-2006 06:06 AM

sigh...I am bummed out I didnt win it some guy with sniper got it for a dollar more. Thats the brakes. I need a cowl for a 1/6 D-VIII if anyone has one cheaper than 40 bucks.
We recived 36 inches of snow (estimated) with snow drifts or up to 4 to 4.5 feet in less than 24hrs here in the Metro area. I had to walk to get medicine for my baby(mom forgot she was running out) I walked 3 miles each way and it took over 6 hrs. Flippin cold it was!
I spent almost all of my time in the south americas...my blood its to thin for the deep cold! I was in amph. intel warfare. lol of my 6 plus years I was in I spent almost 4 doing drug interdiction go figure that one out. ps I dont just like red planes...but they ARE sexy...lol

reddevil1111 12-22-2006 06:11 AM

Martin, Can I see how you built you wing for the yellow and green D-VIII? I would love to see your flap details,servo details and how/where you made acess doors for all of the details. What scale is the beast? Oh one more thing? the wheel wing...I really have a bad set of plans and not a lot of exp. scratch building. I have always just had kits. The worst I had it was planeing a wing tip. Its the details are the fun stuff. Thanks! Dan

GourmetSaint 12-22-2006 08:14 AM

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I know I'm a newbie here but I would like to wish you all a great Christmas and New Year. My Christmas project is a scratch 1/28 scale Fokker DR-1 using 1/32 balsa and carbon fibre. Should be interesting. If it's ok with you guys, I would like to bounce some stuff off you all when I get stuck. All the best, Mark

reddevil1111 12-22-2006 05:49 PM

Welcome Saint! I am a newb in here as well so your not alone! Nice cad drawings. Real sweet! Is Kiama in the west of Australia or south? I spent a lot of time there..2 trips 3 months each. I was in the south for the most part. Byron Bay,Geelong ect.
Merry Christmas !

Ron 12-22-2006 07:26 PM

Merry christmas guys...hope Santa is good to you all

GourmetSaint 12-23-2006 02:23 AM

Kiama is a couple of hours south of Sydney. Beautiful seaside village. http://www.kiama.com.au.

Have a great one!

scalercflyer 12-23-2006 04:55 AM

Merry Christmas All!
I would like to wish all of you Guys and your families a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :) My prayer for all of you is for The LORD to give you strength, good health, happy families and prosperity in the coming year (good flying weather too!). Remember, JESUS is the Reason for the Season! Martin
PS: A hearty welcome all you Newbies! Keep the posts coming.

reddevil1111 12-23-2006 05:20 PM

Does Santa run a RED PLANE? lol

WWI Ace 12-24-2006 01:22 AM

Why yes he does fly a RED plane sometimes reddevil! I do believe it's a triplane too!!! Ha ha!!! You guys have a great Christmas and a wonderful New Year! And remember that painting your plane a bright color, (such as red) lets the enemy know who's about to knock him out of the sky! Steve.

reddevil1111 12-24-2006 03:04 AM

some good news
Pulling Steve's and Martin's leg is so much fun,I am going to have to build 2 D-VIII's one in all red just for him(to see red...lol) and another the way I want it.
I have a Christmas surprise for anyone building a D-VIII in the future. I am in touch with SAM members and they are starting to provide me some photos of thier clubs builds(they choose the Earl Sthal kit to replicate) Hmmm..lol I guess its a good thing I happen to have that kit. I will share whatever I recive with you guys as well. Dan

I will post photos as soon as I have figured out how to do it...lol

WWI Ace 12-31-2006 05:19 AM

Alright guys don't give up on me! I got some more covering done on the 1/12th Fokker tripe. I guess it's the thought of routing all the pull-pull that's stalling me out! If I can finish covering this weekend I'll try to get Ma to take some pics to post. I didn't get any WWI stuff for Christmas but I did get the new Eflite Blade CX2 heli with the 5 channel Spektrum radio! Gotta quit hovering in the living room and get back to work! Steve.

scalercflyer 01-02-2007 03:03 AM

Santa must'a went to the wrong house Steve! Another chopper! At least it isn't RED! :D Martin

CarreraGTSCS 01-02-2007 03:42 AM

This year I resolve to build the Polk's Fokker Dr 1 that's been sitting on a shelf in my basement since early last year. I will paint it though. There are enough red triplanes out there!

Happy New Year to all.


scalercflyer 01-02-2007 09:55 AM

I knew I liked you for a reason Mike! :) Seriously though, I am at your service if you want to select a camo scheme. I have many to pick from in my reference collection and they aren't red (take note Steve and Ron)! :D All the Best to you Guys and a Happy New Year! Martin
PS Mike. Where in NJ are you?

robinairerc 01-02-2007 04:46 PM

Hi guys; My first visit here, and I am just getting re-interested in electric after about a 15 year layoff from electrics. Still have an old Mole Technology motor, battery pack, prop and field charger. Believe it or not, pack still charges and operates near normal!!! Mostly still into big gas/glow stuff, but am thinking "small" these days! I have plans for the Fokker D-8, Sopwith Tripe, and SE-5. If anyone interested, I'll check on cost of copying them. Have one local outfit that can copy them full size. I won't part with the originals!! The D-8 is an old Miniature Aircraft plan, and includes a sheet with rib, former and elevator outlines.

Spoonwasher 01-02-2007 10:33 PM

Hi guys
almost finished my SE5a park flyer with a Rimfire motor & great planes ESC, now just waiting on weather to test fly it. Maybe I should have equipped it with skis for our Canadian winters.Also Looks like I'll have lots of Fokkers to hunt down in the sky once we get airborn..lol...Great lookin' planes boys.Also built a park size Curtis Jenny and a GWS Tiger moth. Both are flown indoors but make it outside on not so windy days. My moth equiped witn gws IPS motor & 5amp esc,and a 2cell lipo stays up for 33+ mins....Indoors it flys well in a large gym and guys are amazed it flies so well on elevator/rudder only.Great fun and relaxing to fly.
I'd love to dogfight with a few of you guys as in our club most others have built Sopwith Pups & other Tiger Moths.Chasing fellow allied planes isn't quite the thrill as a German one...lol... The only time we get into the German stuff is when we club -pylon race our GWS WWII warbirds. I started racing the Bf 109, the switched to the Corsair mid season ,as it was much more stable in the wind .With criteria like the motor has to be a stock GWS brushed 350 on 2 cells, the racing isn't super fast but very close( best pilot & builder wins not the best pocket book) which can really get us older guys blood pumping. Our points winner for the year flew a Bf 109..... I'm already practicing hopping to gain an edge over last years champ
I suggested we have a tiger moth class and race these.....but I think we would run out of daylight before we got 15 laps in....would have been a great hurry up and wait race.


WWI Ace 01-03-2007 01:03 AM

Hey Martin my heli IS red! And CarreraGTSCS if you need help on your Polks tripe build I have one that I built probably about a year ago that is still flying! Big rudder but a really nice plane in the air! I have pics of mine in the Polks tripe thread. Steve.

degreen60 01-09-2007 04:08 PM

Foam Electric WW1
I am new here. I have a scratch build Sopwith triplane made from GWS Tiger Moth wings and foam board from Walmart. For plans I downloaded drawings and used a drawing program to enlarge to size I wanted then tile printed them. I also have a Sig Albatros DV. I did not use the pilot that came with the Albatros but filled it with plaster then use a vac-u-form to make a pilot for both planes. I will post pictures as soon as I learn how to download them straight from my computer.

degreen60 01-09-2007 06:47 PM

I attached picture of my planes. Now to see if it works.

degreen60 01-09-2007 11:17 PM

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I hope the picture are here this time.

reddevil1111 01-10-2007 01:23 AM

ok clue me in on how you did that pls?! I cant figure out how to post photos on here...

degreen60 01-10-2007 02:03 AM

I had to do 2 things. One was get a screen up to type into that had a paper clip in the controls, that lets you attach a file. Second thing I had to do was make my picture files smaller. If the files are too large the program does not tell you it just don't work.

degreen60 01-10-2007 02:04 AM

Oh yes, quick reply does not have the paper clip.

CarreraGTSCS 01-10-2007 03:53 AM

Martin-- I'm located just outside of Princeton. I'm about 5 or 6 minutes from the University. How about you?

As for the Dr 1, I have to dig it out and possibly post it here but I've found a scheme that appeals to me. If I remember correctly it's one of the yellow tailed Jastas. Can't remember which at the moment.


scalercflyer 01-14-2007 09:44 AM

Mike, I'm in the area of Voorhees/Cherry Hill. I'd like to invite you to fly with me this year. :D Our club is located in Marlton NJ http://www.sjsf.org/ Bring something WWI so we can mix it up! Also Mike PM me and maybe we can exchange phone numbers. Would love to chat (only if you want). I don't know about you other Guys, but I need to buckle down and do some building! :) It's a toss up between building something from a kit or from plans. :confused: I have many nice plans to pick from so it's hard to decide. Perhaps you Boys would decide for me. :) I hear Steve has been enjoying the balmy ice storms in TX so I know he has plenty of time to build! Or maybe his wife has him buried doing Honey Do's and he can't build. Which is it Steve? Ha Ha! Welcome degreen 60! Happy to have you with us! Nice job on the planes! WWI nuts! You gotta love 'em! :D :D Martin

Jakeluke 01-15-2007 11:27 PM

What Glue for Wooden Undercarriage?
Maybe one or more of you can help me. I'm building a model of the Sikorsky Grand, and it incorporates an undercarriage which, on the prototype, was apparently made of wood, probably oak. It consists of two parts, 3 sticks in a more or less "N" pattern under each wing, and a similar section of 6 sticks in an "WI" pattern under the fuselage. On their lower sides they attach to skids, which were originally wooden, but which I have made of aluminum.
My problem is what glue to use to glue the sticks (which are 1/8 by 1/4 inch oak) together, and to glue them to the skids.
I tried glueing the sticks with 30 minute epoxy, but they broke apart rather easily when I stressed them in tension.
Next I tried Gorilla Glue, which, subjectively, withstood more pulling that the epoxy, so those assemblies I Gorilla glued to the skids. As I was fitting one of the WI assemblies to the fuselage, one of the upper glue joints split, and then I found the sticks would pull away from the skis rather easily, also. But that was on only 1 assembly. The other three seem to be holding up better.
Length of my glue lines between sticks in about 1/4 inch.
Any suggestions as to what glue, or even to another method of building?

degreen60 01-15-2007 11:35 PM

I "sew" the joint with thread then use CA with a kicker.

Gary in Fla 01-16-2007 01:22 AM

Lozenge Camo
Hi Gang,
On the topic of WW1 machines... I was wondering if anyone has done or located any Lozenge camo covering for the GP Fokker D7?


reddevil1111 01-16-2007 02:54 AM

Check out Arizona aircraft models they have scale fabric in 3,4 and 5 color lozenge.

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