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Spoonwasher 04-05-2007 10:26 PM

Nice finish on the DH1 Kiwi. I did notice that stick of yours too.I have a .60 glow equiped stick and was thinking of making it more like an Endecker III, add a cowl over the engine, a few flying wires and presto, we have a sport scale Endecker....LoL.I like your little stick, and I think it has a Nippy "E" motor from what I can make out in the picture. Been thinking of making a small "E" version stick for general flying. I have a brushess motor & controller without a home for the moment..maybe I'll make one up from depron anf see what happens.

Kiwikid 04-05-2007 10:44 PM

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Thanks Franny, yes the Little Stick gets alot of use and is actually quite a good aerobatic plane. The DH1 is from LX models which is the company I think you were referring to. Their models are quite nice but come in some hideous colours. I managed at least to get a green DH1 and just intend to paint the upper surfaces. You can't see it on the pics but I have already done the undersurfaces the pale yellow canvas colour that is on the fuse. I have found that the Tamiya acylics designed to paint the inside of car bodies work really well on film covering as they stick well and are designed to be flexible. The DH1 kit is a semi ARF and not a difficult build. I had alot of fun nutting everything out, not the least of which was the "instruction book" (heres an example of how we install the entire control system: "Arrangement pushrod. Put the protection materials. Heat the shrink tube. Be careful do not make iron reaches the wood" and we are done!!) Heres a couple of pics of a blue one that show how it all goes together.


50+AirYears 04-05-2007 10:53 PM

Looks a LOT easier than the one in the Flying Models plan I have. Especially in not having to cut out 88 identical wing ribs.

Electric is definetly the way to go with this type of pusher.

Kiwikid 04-05-2007 11:25 PM

Hi Spoonwasher. I can't take credit for the finish on the DH1 (yet) as it is an ARF as mentioned above. The Little Stick was just my second balsa kit build and I made a boo boo as I was intending to put the motor (a Hyperion HP Z3007-26 by the way) inside the fuse , but then found that I would have to add 1 and a half oz of lead to balance the model. Fixed this just by bolting it to the outside of the firewall. What I should have done was made the fuse longer so have a play around with your balancing. I have seen some guys do some quite nice conversions of some of the ARF Little Stick type models that are around like the E-Flite Ultra Stick :

I intend to do something about cowling up the front of the fuse, but that job is a bit down the que at the moment as I am actively flying about 20 planes: http://www.rcuniverse.com/gallery/galleryCat.cfm?memberID=158340
(with associated repairs) and working on two or three new ones all the time.

Good luck with your build.


degreen60 04-09-2007 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by WWI Ace (Post 169219)
Hey degreen60 I had one of those Camels!!! Built it stock and it flew SO SLOW!!! The only thing I had against it was the landing gear pulled off every time I landed in grass. As far as the turn and crash have you figured out what caused it? If you haven't you might check to see if one of the wings are twisted. If I remember right it was easy to do if the struts were not lined up well. But I'm sure you knew that, just tryin' to help if ya need it. You'll like what a relaxed flyer it is when you get it dialed in. Steve.

Got the Camel flying this morning. I think the turn was cause by lower wing glue joint not holding at strut. Now I will add the landing gear I made for it and get rid of the wire one that came with the plane. Those Fokker triplane better be alert when flying, the Camel is on the prowl.

Spoonwasher 04-11-2007 02:19 PM

Hi Kiwi...I found a little e stick at Hobby Lobby so I ordered it.I think I need that 12 step program for RC , cause I just can't leave a pretty little plane on the shelf.Confessions of an RC addict !..lol...I too have got at least 20 planes flying on the go and still building.I just like building in the winter months as much as flying,but when good weather arrives, I want don't want to be cooped up inside,but out doors relaxing, flying at the field or out at the lake.
I didn't get the chance yet to build the cowl for my giant stick as I need to buy a 2 liter soda for the bottle.then shrink it down to a mold/plug for what I want.The way the weather is here right now,I still have time though before we get flying.

Spoonwasher 04-11-2007 02:50 PM

Kiwi -I see also you have a few wings built and flying,like the Horten Wing and a couple of others. I'm going to race at another club this year,their club racer is a coroplast delta wing,powered by an OS LA 15 glow.They provided the kit for $20, you build it and come and race with their guys at there club on tuesday evenings throughout the summer.So to improve on my piloting skills & teach myself how to program and fly these , I thought I'd try it. The racer is almost complete and I should be able to maiden it this week or weekend. Now for practice I made a copy in an "e" version from Blue folding foam with a GWS geared motor.This will help me learn to program my radio first before I worm burn the racer into the grass.Once I get flying this type of aircraft and mixing in my skills, I can move to my favorite plane and build it and fly it, an Avro Arrow.Once I figure I'm comfortable with the "V" type wings and Delta aircraft, I'll clear the build bench, break into the wallet and build the aircraft that has inspired me in airplanes since I saw the first one fly as a kid with my grandfather at Malton Airport, close to the A.V.R.O.E. factory in Toronto area.My Gramps worked in Toronto for Smith Transport and would take me for a burger and we would sit by the airstrip and watch the planes take off.He had a real knack for showing us things that would inspire and motivate us.But it was a long time ago....may he R.I.P.
Keep up the great work Kiwi, I love your planes and your posts

degreen60 04-11-2007 09:12 PM

I have some TIF & JPG files of WW1 unit markings. Some are in color and others in black and white. Also have TIF file of wheel cover. If anyone wants a copy of the files let me know. Don

Bub Steve 04-11-2007 09:47 PM

gun & exsaust kit from my SEa5
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Does any one need the gun & exsaust kit from my SEa5, I changed the theme a bit a do'nt need them, P,M, me or E-mail me your add, (I'll take care of postage or what-ever)ya'll's bub, stevecooper

Kiwikid 04-11-2007 11:25 PM

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Hi Spoonwasher, racing with the flying wings sounds like fun. I have done a bit of pylon racing with my Strykers and some mates Strykers. Alot of fun but you really have to focus on your model so you don't loose it on crossovers and start trying to fly someone elses! I have had a hankering to build an Arrow for some time after seing the CBC movie The Arrow. Such a tragedy that the bungling beauracrats killed a stella performer that was ahead of its time. Theres quite a few vids on YouTube that convinced me that I've got to do one. So many models and so little time.
Back on topic! After three freakin months I finally finished the DH1 last night. A big ol hairy legged storm front is just moving in so I won't be flying for awhile. Thought I'd post some pics now and do some flight shots later. The finishing touches added an extra 1.25 oz to the flying weight compared to the maiden flight weight, but had to be done. My dog came sniffing around so snuck into one of the pics. The final pic is of the next twinkle in my eye - a Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker.


degreen60 04-12-2007 02:36 PM

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Here are some pictures of my Wattage Camel. It flys real nice. I made several mods to the plane. It has brushless motor, I did not even waste time installing original motor and gearbox. Installed cf strip in both wings and flying wires for strength. Used the wires to pull about 1 inch dihedral in top wing. Glued front cabane struts at upper front joint so they don't move. Run stiff wire from upper front to lower aft cabane struts that unplugs at aft end for wing removal. Shorten outer struts at lower aft end 3/16th. Made new landing gear and wheels. Controls are pull-pull. Cowl held on with magnets with wooden pins for alinement. Has 6 nicad AA batteries installed under cowl. No extra weight needed for balance. Painted bottom of wings tan with thined acrylic paint. Give entire plane a wash of 25% brown acrylic paint, 75%(ruff guess) water with about 5 drops of liquid soap added. Now where is Chellie and that triplane?

Spoonwasher 04-12-2007 03:14 PM

Thanks kiwi
Hi Kiwi....I pylon raced GWS warbirds last season and it was a ball.when another local club saw what we were up to, they brought out their program with the deltas.They got together and made up about 40 Delta kits,sell them for $20 to cover materials, you add motor radio and colour and race for $5 per evening. Pretty cheap fun.Motor requirement is a stock OS LA 15.I made a FFF foam replica for practicing and intial training for myself as my JR computer programable radio is quite complex , too many options to learn quickly,but we're picking away ay it slowly.Racing the Delta wings should help teach me about the design and what it takes to fly and program delta wing type aircraft.
Now if your interested, I have some design plans for a couple of Avro's,one in depron,and one in balsa as pusher/prop models.I figured these would help in testing the design and determining CG which is not on the plans.Once that is done, make a biggie with ducted fans.
Well thisis getting a little off topic, so I'll just say that I love the wires on your DH1,the entire project looks really scale.I think I'm gonna have to build one...lol...
I'll throw a couple of pics in of the racer and the test foamy.

Spoonwasher 04-12-2007 03:18 PM

delta racers for kiwi
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here's a couple of pic's of the racer & practice wing:)

Spoonwasher 04-12-2007 03:21 PM

If you want the Avro files Kiwi, just e mail me and I'll send them direct so we don't clutter up the WW1 thread.

Kiwikid 04-13-2007 11:20 PM

Thanks, e-mail sent.

Spoonwasher 04-15-2007 01:40 PM

plans for kiwi
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I tried to e mail you directly kiwi,but it wouldn,t let me add an attachment for the plans.I'll try here

Spoonwasher 04-15-2007 01:48 PM

well I managed a couple of flights in ,they were quick, cold and breezy.Not a good day for the maiden of my SE5...It got as far as the landing strip, but sensibility grabbed me and I returned the little beauty back to the hanger.We did get sunshine for a couple of hours but the wind came with it. SOON a good day is coming SOON.

Kiwikid 04-15-2007 10:13 PM

Thanks for that, looks like a nice project. Incidentally, the CG is on the plan and is shown below the fuse at around the point where the tail meets the fuse. Might turn out to be a little ahead of that as it seems a bit far back. Always better to be a bit nose heavy for a maiden flight.



Kiwikid 04-16-2007 02:45 AM

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Hang in there Spoonwasher the weather can't stay crap forever. The front that put paid to my flying passed on overnight and I was able to nip out this morning for a fully dressed up photo shoot with the DH1. Some pics below.
Some more are in a blog entry here:

and some grainy little vids can be seen here:


scalercflyer 04-16-2007 04:56 PM

Gotta have one
Great Planes Fokker Dr.1 Triplane WWI EP ARF http://www2.gpmd.com/image/g/gpma1142.jpg

Well, everyone, here is the latest release from Great Planes via Tower Hobbies due out the end of April. $100.00 too!!! :D I gotta get one! Of course that hideous red scheme just has to go!! :mad: And that rudder is going on a diet too when I get this bird! It's WAY too big! :D I intent to paint her like the tripe in the Great Waldo Pepper. See Tower website for a nice video and instruction manual. Steve, don't listen to Mom! You NEED ANOTHER TRIPE! Martin

Franny 04-16-2007 07:34 PM

Hi Martin,

I would like to see some photos of your DRI when you get it done... I'm planning a build of the AerodromeRC 46.7" version this summer. I was also planning on the black and yellow scheme. From what I understand, it is a hodge-podge of a couple different airplanes, but it sure looks cool! Why do you suppose the rudder is so large? I would bet it is because of manufacturing and not flight. The rudder on my dare isn't that huge and it tracks just fine. It really is a bit of a motorized box-kite, but I did find the rudder a pain to laminate up. If the turn is too sharp, I bet it isn't as strong. Just a guess though... So, are you going to paint over their covering? I'd love to hear how it goes...



scalercflyer 04-16-2007 10:11 PM

DRI paint job
Hi Franny! :) As you may very well be aware I too am a WWI nut who favors the DRI. I have an article (which I will have to dig up) that explains how to paint over the existing mylar. I think it was in MAN. :confused: If you look at the instruction manual for the GP tripe on tower's website, you will see where they tell you how to install the rudder. In my opinion, it's a perfect time to reduce that over sized rudder! :D Steve (WWI Ace) states that it makes no difference on flight performance, if the rudder is big or "standard" size. I have a tendency to believe him since he flys several tripes. Why! he even has a slimer!!! :mad: As you may have guessed, I am a purist at heart, but only this ONCE (pay attention Steve) am I going to deviate from an actual authentic camo scheme. Franny, I too think the Waldo Pepper scheme is the coolest. ;) :cool: You're a Gal after my own heart! Keep your posts coming. Look for pics and a how to article on painting mylar soon. Martin PS: can't wait till they release the tripe! Wake up you Guys! Let's hear from you too! Check your six!

50+AirYears 04-16-2007 10:51 PM

RC Model World had an interesting article on a REALLY camaflauged Fokker E-3. Actually could be considered an earlty Stealth fighter. Guy took a Proctor 1/4 scale E3 and finished it in CLEAR Oracover. This was actually tried in WW1. Article says the clear Oracover is almost the same thing as the original clear covering.

Of course, this is best done on something like the Proctor, which has almost a scale construction, and it takes some real patience and good building skills to look good under a clear covering.

I had picked up a Proctor Antic kit a few years ago which has a similar constuction, and after a couple years of procratination, sold it. It scared me.

CarreraGTSCS 04-16-2007 11:30 PM

Martin-- What's this about a new Dr1? Tell me more. What size is it to be? I still have to assemble and paint my Polk's Dr1.


scalercflyer 04-17-2007 12:19 AM

Gp Dri
Mike, go to this website and you will see the tripe.
Here are some specs: FEATURES: Construction: Laser cut balsa and plywood
Wings: One piece each tri-wing configuration with painted cabanes and
interplane struts
Covering: Factory applied, color scheme is red and 0hite
Battery Compartment: Accessible under magnetic cover at front of
Cowling: Vacuum formed plastic, radiator design
Landing Gear: Pre-bent and factory painted in Red
Wheels: Two 3" (76mm) diameter lightweight foam tires on red wheels
Aileron Control: Dual servo on top wing
Pilot Bust: Two-piece unpainted
Hardware: Complete package designed for light weight and precise
control response
Building Time: Ready to fly in several hours
Warranty: Great Planes Model Manufacturing Company guarantees this
kit free from defects in both materials and workmanship at
the date of purchase.

INCLUDES: Fokker DR1 WW1 Park Flyer Sport Scale Airplane with pre-bent
landing gear, scale wheels, wing struts, wood servo trays, scale
machine gun and pilot, hardware package, photo-illustrated
instructions decals, vacuum formed radial engine

REQUIRES: Motor: ElectriFly Rimfire 28-30-950 Brushless - GPMG4560
Propeller: 10x4.5 - GPMQ6660
Prop Adapter: 3mm - GPMQ4959
Speed Control: ElectriFly Silver Series SS-25 - GPMM1820
Motor to Speed Control Connector: GPMM3122
Radio: 4-Channel - FUTJ37** (radio system includes two servos)
Servos: 4-Micro (2-ailerons, 1-rudder, 1-elevator) - FUTM0414
12" (305mm) Servo Extensions: Two - HCAM2100
Y-Harness: One for aileron servos - HCAM2500
Battery: 1250mAh LiPo - GPMP0823
Battery Charger: LiPo compatible
Misc. Items: Building and Field Equipment

SPECS: Wingspan: 29.5" (745mm)
Wing Area: 300 sq in (19 sq dm)
Weight: 20 - 24oz (567 - 680g)
Wing Loading: 10 - 12oz sq ft (31 - 37g/sq dm)
Length: 23.5" (600mm)
Airfoil: Flat bottom
Center of Gravity: 2" (51mm) Back from the wing's leading edge
Control Throws- High Rate Low Rate
Elevator: Up & Down 3/8" (10mm) 1/4" (6.4mm)
Rudder: Right to Left 1" (25mm) 5/8" (16mm)
Ailerons: Up & Down 3/8" (10mm) 1/4" (6.4mm)

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