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degreen60 05-18-2012 11:04 PM

I bought a lot of several differant size props. It had both high and low pitch props in it. I have yet to find any plane that I like a low pitch prop on. My MS-N has a 10x8 prop and takes off climbing at full throtle. Flys great at half throtle and after flight battery is either cool or slightly warm. I changed the prop to an 11x4.7, it almost had no climb and had to fly at full throtle. After landing the battery was hot. I tried some of my eflite planes and they did the samething. I think the reason the planes in the videos look like they are floating out of my hand on launch is because the high pitch prop puts a good airstream over the wings even when the plane has almost no forward speed.

TM4197 05-19-2012 01:08 AM

good question about the scarfs!!! I have no clue!!

I agree about the props!:D

floss 05-20-2012 11:23 AM

I saw some scarves on an auction site selling aviation memorabilia a short while back, touted as genuine items from WW1. Interesting thing was they were not long like the scarves that we see today. They looked like they were only long enough to wrap twice around the neck and then tuck in with nothing left flapping, sort've like a neck wrap that you might wear on a motorbike today to stop the winter air getting between your jacket and helmet.

degreen60 05-20-2012 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by floss (Post 870157)
I saw some scarves on an auction site selling aviation memorabilia a short while back, touted as genuine items from WW1. Interesting thing was they were not long like the scarves that we see today. They looked like they were only long enough to wrap twice around the neck and then tuck in with nothing left flapping, sort've like a neck wrap that you might wear on a motorbike today to stop the winter air getting between your jacket and helmet.

In the WWI movies taken durning the war I only see short scarves with nothing flapping. Now if you want to go hollywood in one of the movies, maybe hells angels, they even have a long pennet attached to the top of the pilots helment. I put leader pennets on one of my planes but sense attaching them I have see pictures of planes with them and mine are too short. I am going to make new ones that are long enough to touch the ground.(now now, when the plane is not flying LOL)

quorneng 05-20-2012 01:11 PM

I truth I doubt very much they would have had anything flapping about. Far to distracting when you are trying to keep track of enemy planes approaching from behind.
The scarves were worn primarily to prevent chaffing from the jacket collar and to stop the castor oil from seeping down your neck.
I am sure a long scarf dangling in the slip stream in combat is a Hollywood invention.
Wing tip streamers were sometimes used as a means of identification.

wattman 05-20-2012 03:16 PM

If you have ridden motorcycles at 80 MPH plus , with anything that is loose and can flap......think about at 125 mph and a scarf in the windstream tugging at your neck :concern:
My thought is no , to the long scarf blowing in the wind , in WW1 combat .

TM4197 05-21-2012 01:35 AM

So, I guess all the new pics I will see of everyones planes this year will have the pilots scarfs cut or tucked down the side! Must be a snoppy thing..I'll keep mine flapping in the breeze!

Big Johnny 05-21-2012 03:22 AM

Hey WWI fanatics. I to love early aviation. I have several of Peter Rakes plans. I'm in the process of cutting out parts for his Avro 504. I also want to build the Spad XIII, but it a little intimidating looking at the plans.

TM4197 05-21-2012 03:27 AM

Good luck on your build! Make sure you show your build on here!!! I would love to see the 504!

50+AirYears 05-21-2012 04:48 AM

I used to hear that WW-I pilots wore silk or linen scarves both for protection from cold and chaffing, but also to periodically clean the Castor Oil from the rotary engines off their faces and goggles. Never got to ask any WW-I flying aces about it, most of the WW-I veterans still around while I was growing up had been in the Army or Navy. Seemss to me having a long tail flapping in the breeze could be a dangerous distraction in those old flying death traps, especially in combat.

mclarkson 05-21-2012 08:03 AM

Say what you want, my pilots are keeping their long, impractical scarves! :D

degreen60 05-21-2012 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by mclarkson (Post 870289)
Say what you want, my pilots are keeping their long, impractical scarves! :D

You can always say your pilots are Hollywood stars. LOL

7car7 05-21-2012 10:09 PM

I'm probably in agreement with most here, in that the scarves did not stick out very often, and not done on purpose. (motorcycle example being a very good one!)

I would however take a wild guess and say, like many things in life, that there could have been some exaggerated truth to the scarf blowing in the wind thing. I bet there was an occasion when a scarf may have gotten loose from a pilots neck, only to have it come out of the coat and blow around, even if only for a moment. If a couple of soldiers (or civilians) saw that, they might easily think it was the norm, and then from there on, it's *FACT* that pilots wore their scarves out!

Also, if they did in fact use them to wipe the goggles, It would be very hard to get them stuffed back inside the coat everytime.

I sure like the look of a scarf blowing around on my pilots, even if it's silly. I just think it's one of the charming things that separate our planes from WWII warbirds or later. Kinda like wing rigging. Not always needed, but just looks the part.

degreen60 05-24-2012 02:58 PM

Found this http://www.rc-cam.com/combat2.htm Wish another WWI flyer was close so could install this and have dogfights. I have 12F508 dip and 12c509 sm pics. If anyone would like to try making this I can program you the pic.

degreen60 06-15-2012 02:08 PM

I have a problem. I can not deside which one of my WWI planes I like to fly the most. I do know I like flying the light foam planes like the Eflites more than the build up ones. Seems like every time I take a differant one out to fly it becomes my favorite until I fly the next one. LOL I guess it does not matter as long as I get my fix about everyday. LOL

WWI Ace 06-15-2012 03:05 PM

At least you're getting to fly. Between work, gale force winds and thunderstorms my planes haven't been up much this year. Lol

wattman 06-15-2012 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 873266)
I have a problem. I can not deside which one of my WWI planes I like to fly the most. Seems like every time I take a differant one out to fly it becomes my favorite until I fly the next one. LOL I guess it does not matter as long as I get my fix about everyday. LOL

That is so true for me also :D

CNY_Dave 06-15-2012 03:33 PM

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Just acquired a Global Hobby Fokker D-VII that was built as electric.

Is about 4.5-5lbs, 50-inch top wing, 44-inch lower, came with servos and a Turnigy 5055-580 that was reputed to fly well on 5S with a 12x8, I may need to get some 5S batts if on 4S with a 13x or 14x isn't peppy enough.

First task will be to make a battery holder, has a hatch just in front of the top wing. I figure if I build a simple open box the airflow will be better than if I just nestle everything in with foam, especially as on 4S with a 13x8 or x10 it'll be pulling a fair number of amps (although less than with my 770kv).

It is a little rattier than appears, lots of small repairs, and I think I need to re-do the aileron servo mount.

wattman 06-15-2012 08:14 PM

Nice plane , I have the SE5a from them still in the box in the closet for "some day" to assemble and convert to electric and fly .
The wire wheels are beautiful spoked wheels .

CNY_Dave 06-15-2012 08:43 PM

Yes, the wheels are quite cool, god help me if I screw 'em up.

Right now am wondering if it is foolish to try to fly off pavement with a crosswind with it just a taildragger. Original kit had a tail-wheel, but the owner only flew off grass so made it a dragger, and doesn't have the original wheel.

degreen60 07-26-2012 12:53 PM

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Update on my crashed GWS Tiger Moth into a Spad XI. Just waiting on me to finish guns and install them. It flys ok but it will only fly straight on its own for a short time then will turn either left or right as if the rudder has moved then if left alone it will circle. I am guessing if I had enlarged the tail it would not do this. It is not a problem, quick blip of the rudder when it starts to turn will set it straight again.

wattman 07-26-2012 03:06 PM

I have no doubt that someday you will turn a TM into a German Gotha bomber :D

You can see so many mods possible from the basic GWS TM , and thanks for there finally being a posting on the WW1 forum . :)

When ever its not way too hot , or too much wind , I continue to enjoy flying my PKZ SE5a and the Albatros Dv , the 250 size slow flyers just haven't had a chance to fly lately .

mclarkson 07-27-2012 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by wattman (Post 877348)
I have no doubt that someday you will turn a TM into a German Gotha bomber :D

That's take at least two set of wings. :D

degreen60 07-27-2012 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by mclarkson (Post 877371)
That's take at least two set of wings. :D

I will give you my address when you crash a plane so you can send me the wings. LOL I did turn 1 and a half set of wings into a Sopwith Triplane.

degreen60 08-13-2012 11:35 PM

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I finally finished the SPAD XI bash.

7car7 08-14-2012 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 879191)
I finally finished the SPAD XI bash.

Love it D! you did a great job on an under modelled specimen.

Remind me, is that Belgian markings?

degreen60 08-14-2012 02:34 AM

I need another crashed Tiger Moth. I was looking through my WWI books and found a Sopwith Cuckoo. Looks like it could be made from a Tiger Moth. LOL

7car7 08-14-2012 06:09 PM

mmmmm. I say start with a JN4. Maybe someone will crash one. I'm not crashing mine, I like it too much.

degreen60 08-15-2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 7car7 (Post 879268)
mmmmm. I say start with a JN4. Maybe someone will crash one. I'm not crashing mine, I like it too much.

The JN4 makes a nice Navy N9.

CNY_Dave 08-20-2012 07:36 PM

It seems this is a good place to ask- what is the common method of attaching to the wing the little wood (not balsa I assume) tab that sticks out of the wing that the struts bolt to?

I have snapped a few (or more) of my 8 through the hole, not to mention breaking both struts.

Anyone think I can get away with repairing (well, half the tab is missing, so I guess 'adding new') and reinforcing as opposed to having to dig into the wing and putting in a new tab (however the heck it's mounted)?

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/atta...5&d=1339770647

BradT 08-21-2012 08:09 AM

Dave, I used 3/32 aircraft ply (NOT "liteply") for the strut tabs on my 75" D VII scratch build, and they survived some less than delicate landings and nose-overs, and even held up to the plane's final arrival in a very sturdy hazelnut tree, which broke the struts, including the cabanes. I used a washer on each side of each tab, and tightened the nuts firmly, to keep everything in place. I think that epoxying something similar to what's left of your broken tabs should do the job for you.

Brad.

CNY_Dave 08-21-2012 02:21 PM

I got the plane out of the car yesterday and things are much better than I feared, I only broke one of the mounts, and both wings are undamaged except for some loosened screws, and only some bulkhead cracking cracking and other minor stuff in the fuse.

I can see that the motor X plate deformed and that's why the motor points off to the side, one side of the firewall did come loose, and I'm hoping the firewall did not itself crack, the previous owner swiss-cheesed it pretty good.

I also need to figure out a way to make a quick pivot for the sign at the dead-end where I fly, I was afraid I was going to smack it and that's why I maneuvered quickly.

I can unbolt it in 5 minutes every time I fly, but that's inelegant.

degreen60 10-23-2012 07:14 PM

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Here is my second scratch built Bristol M1C ready to have motor and RC equipment installed. My first one spend year and half in a tree and by the time the wind blew the top out of the tree the foam was no good. I increased the wing span 6 inches on this one so it should be a real nice floater.

7car7 10-23-2012 08:49 PM

Came out great. What wings are you using on this one?

degreen60 10-23-2012 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by 7car7 (Post 886928)
Came out great. What wings are you using on this one?

GWS SS, I trimmed the trailing edge straight and glued on an inch wide piece of blue foam. I added about 3 inches of pink foam on the tip of each wing then cut the wings to shape.

**neons** 10-23-2012 09:10 PM

Very Nice! I like your thoughtful use of existing market items. I flew my Eindeker a few years back until it finally was wore out. It was built with Depron fuselage and with the full body GWS Little Stik wing lengthened. I miss it but moved on.
Cheers,
Bob

mclarkson 10-23-2012 09:17 PM

Looking good, degreen. Stay away from that tree!

degreen60 10-23-2012 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by **neons** (Post 886931)
Very Nice! I like your thoughtful use of existing market items. I flew my Eindeker a few years back until it finally was wore out. It was built with Depron fuselage and with the full body GWS Little Stik wing lengthened. I miss it but moved on.
Cheers,
Bob

I am always looking for parts and pieces someone wants to throw away. I found the SS wings on free thread and was luckly enough to be the first to ask for them. When the old M1C finally came out of the tree in several pieces none of the foam was good, weather had pitted it bad. All RC parts were usable. The cowl, cockpit surround, nylon wing spars, and control horns from the old plane are on the new one. I never found the pilot, spinner, or the other set of nylon wing spars. I seem to loose most of my planes in about the same area of the woods. Mabe I will find more parts one of these days. The leaves should be off the trees in another week or so and I will be looking for my SE5A about the same place. LOL I only have a short window to go looking, I stay out of the woods during deer season.

TM4197 10-24-2012 03:27 AM

Looking good DE !!!!

I like this one!

Tsavah 10-24-2012 09:44 PM

Bristol
 

Originally Posted by degreen60 (Post 886930)
GWS SS, I trimmed the trailing edge straight and glued on an inch wide piece of blue foam. I added about 3 inches of pink foam on the tip of each wing then cut the wings to shape.

I am trying to imagine the work and I think I understand. The FFF added to the trailing edge made the wing wider. The pink FFF ), normally 1/4" think also, thicken the wing blanks, and bonded to the added blu-core. That would make for a great way to ensure the added foam butt joints wouldn't prove to be weak. Then you cut for shape and sanded down the top pink foam to suggest ribs with dips, normal to a fabric and doped covering. Hope I got that right.


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